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I hope I posted it right but did you see the article about the woman who lost 170 pounds, sent Shape magazine a picture of her in a bikini with a stomach role, and was annoyed that it was not included in the magazine?  Shape says there was a misunderstanding.  If they had rejected the picture is she really surprised, really?!

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I guess I did not post it right but it is an MSN story.



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If you go into Advanced Editor, click on the little icon of a tree, paste the URL in the pop up box and it should post for you.

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Spoilered because it's a huge friggin picture (also, not for the faint of heart. The weight loss left some "extra skin" in her belly area). Took some digging to find a good link.

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http://www.today.com/health/womans-real-post-weight-loss-bikini-pic-goes-viral-2D79630476

Woman's 'real' post-weight-loss bikini pic goes viral

 

Bikini-phobia paralyzes many women, even actresses and models with seemingly perfect bodies. Not Brooke Birmingham. The Illinois blogger who lost 170 pounds has turned a rejected bikini photo of her post-weight loss body into a viral campaign for “real” bodies.

After years of following the Weight Watchers diet plan, Birmingham, 28, says she was to be featured on a before-and-after weight-loss spread for the website for Shape magazine. Birmingham submitted a photo of her in a two-piece swimsuit, proudly show the folds of her belly. When the magazine’s writer asked her to submit a different “after” picture, one with her wearing a T-shirt, Birmingham became frustrated, especially after seeing other photos of women in bikinis on the site. “I don’t feel like my body was given the same respect as others on their site,” she wrote in a blog post on May 2, saying the magazine rejected her "real" body.

The magazine, in a statement featured on TODAY, denies her claim of rejection.

“This is a result of a misunderstanding with a freelance writer. This does not represent Shape’s editorial values and the comments made about Shape’s ‘editorial policy’ are absolutely untrue. Shape prides itself on empowering and celebrating women like Brooke, and any indication that we would not run the piece with the photo provided was wrong, as we would have been proud to share her inspirational story.”

Despite Shape’s denial, the picture has gone viral. Birmingham’s story has been picked up by numerous websites as the latest example of the fashion and beauty industry’s pursuit of unrealistic PhotoShopped perfection.

“Magazines are in the beauty business and always have to pick the ‘perfect specimen’ for everything,” said TODAY anchor Tamron Hall Wednesday. “We’re in a world where beautiful models are airbrushed so it doesn’t surprise me.”

In an email to TODAY, Birmingham wrote: “I did this not for attention but to show all women and men they can be perfect in their own image and they don’t need to listen to what the media’s perception of what ideal image is. I didn’t do this to start an issue with Shape. I did this to show the true body of a major weight loss. I love my body. I do this for the people to know they’re not alone.”

The reality is, anyone who loses more than 100 pounds is left with loose, sagging skin. It’s the less explored part of extreme weight loss. And research show that many people are surprised with how unhappy they are with their bodies, even when they’re reached their goal weight. 

Birmingham has had plenty of support on social media, and says she's happy for the attention she's brought to the issue.



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I hope I posted it right but did you see the article about the woman who lost 170 pounds, sent Shape magazine a picture of her in a bikini with a stomach role, and was annoyed that it was not included in the magazine?  Shape says there was a misunderstanding.  If they had rejected the picture is she really surprised, really?!

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I guess I did not post it right but it is an MSN story.



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 You did it as right as you could with THAT picture. Facebook pictures don't post well here. I found one that was similar from Britain's "Daily Mail".



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SO having seen the picture why would she want to post it and why would the magazine put it up?

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That looks so awful!

She really needs some surgery.

Having said that, it is great she lost the weight but why broadcast your body like that? I don't get it.

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I agree, it's great that she lost the weight... but, like ana, I don't get why she wants to broadcast her body like that. and I also agree that she needs some surgery.

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I can understand why she would want to share it. I have a childhood friend who lost that kind of weight, at least 150 lbs. That picture is very similar to how her body looks. She intends to have surgery after she has kids (she just recently got married). Fact is that not everyone can afford the expense of the surgery. We have society telling the 300+ lb women they need to lose weight to be healthy. Does anyone think about what a body looks like unless it is put out there? I feel she was brave to show that she did everything right to lose the weight and no matter how she may look to others, she is proud of her accomplishment and how she looks.

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I agree that she should be proud of herself. No argument there. But there are ways (even without surgery) to "firm up" excess skin after weight loss. She would benefit from using some of those ways before she put herself "out there" in a bikini.

ETA: and she could have shown her weight loss just as well in a one-piece... or a light dress... or slacks and a blouse.

Also, to be perfectly honest, if she'd been a nudist, posing in a nudist publication about weight loss... I would't have anything negative to say about her appearance/attire. But when you wear clothes, they should be "flattering" to the body. A bikini is not flattering in that picture.



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I don't really think there are ways to firm up at that kind of loss. Chances are, this is the "firmed up" version already. We aren't talking about 20-50 lbs here. I still have no issue with her in a bikini either even if it would not be something I would do.

That being said, I do not have a problem with her photo not being chosen. I think rejected is a strong label for what happened. I am sure there were lots of photos "rejected" and only a few accepted. I do think it would be an interesting opportunity for Shape to do a piece on the journey of people who have extreme weight loss but they are not required to do so by any means.

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Richard there is no way you can firm up that skin after that kind of weight loss, there just isn't, well except not get that large in the first place. Like all of you have said she should be proud of the weight loss but that was such an unflattering picture.

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Good for her that she has the confidence. I would not have made that choice. If I went through the struggle of losing that much weight, I would want to wait to show it off until I looked the way I want to look- and for me that would mean surgery. But, that's my own issue and my own vanity at play.

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That brings up a question for me. If you (general) are overweight and don't have much expendable income, would you be motivated to lose the weight if you knew you would have to accept having a body that looked similar to hers?

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MD I would if I were not dating. So you would look far better in clothes but scary naked.

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Probably, yes, for health reasons.

I've been fortunate to never be in that situation. I was not meaning to put her down at all, I was sincere in saying good for her that she has the confidence. I know I don't.

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SM it is interesting that people think of it as confidence; I don't feel like I am insecure because I would not be dressed like that. I think of it as having good sense.



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I agree- I don't see myself as insecure either. More like I have no interest in showing off my flaws. I don't have the I-don't-give-a-crap-what-people-think gene to go that extra step and point them out like this woman did. I care how I present myself and what people see so I dress to accentuate my assets and hide my flaws- if that makes me insecure, ok then. But I don't think it does.

There are different degrees of confidence and I will say that I do think it takes more confidence to put all your imperfections out there for the world to see.


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I think it is confidence because it is exposing your faults when you know people are going to judge. I would probably never have the "don't give a damn" enough to expose my physical flaws like that. I am far too self conscious to do that.



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SM and MD I really don't think it has anything to do with confidence it has to do with rational behavior in my mind. It is fabulous hat she lost the weight and I am sure she is a lot healthier that she has done so. But dressing like that will scare the little children (ok I am being facetious but you get my point). It not about confidence, in my mind, it is about crazy. I have stretch marks and some extra skin from having three kids but if this woman were a ten in the extra skin department I am a .5. I wear a size 6 pants but I would G-D if I would wear a bikini like that. It has nothing to do with me not being confident it is about me not being delusional.

For me it is not what other people think it is what I think about myself.  If I looked like her I would think it was awesome that I lost weight but I could be objective enough to know I damned sure don't look good enough to wear a bikini.  Just like I think about myself now.  And I am full of confidence.



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I guess I am presuming that she did the bikini photo as more of a documentation of her work not that she would go out in public like that. I still wouldn't judge her if she chose to go to the beach in that same outfit but I would feel like she wasn't doing herself any favors and she could probably find a look that she could rock.

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I can understand why she would want to share it. I have a childhood friend who lost that kind of weight, at least 150 lbs. That picture is very similar to how her body looks. She intends to have surgery after she has kids (she just recently got married). Fact is that not everyone can afford the expense of the surgery. We have society telling the 300+ lb women they need to lose weight to be healthy. Does anyone think about what a body looks like unless it is put out there? I feel she was brave to show that she did everything right to lose the weight and no matter how she may look to others, she is proud of her accomplishment and how she looks.


 THANK YOU!  I have the infamous kangaroo pouch from having kids. Mostly it just holds all my tummy fat and is not attractive. The rest of me is not big. I get mistaken for being pregnant. Yes, some intense ab focused exercises can tighten it up and yes, losing every bit of extra fat I have will shrink it too, but without actual surgery I will never get completely 100% rid of it because it is extra stretched out skin. We don't realize that celebrities get immediate skin lasering and lipo after they have a baby during the c section usually. So they can walk out of there looking like they never had a baby-Beyonce looking at you. 

But I don't think I could ever justify spending that money on surgery unless I get some kind of windfall and I am nervous about having a surgery that could potentially go wrong. I would never forgive myself in heaven I guess if I died having a surgery for vanity and left my kids alone. But say I lose every pound and am back to my prebaby weight which was a size 2. Should I not be able to be proud of my body? Even though I still have that kangaroo pouch? I would probably not wear a bikini but I should still be able to be proud of myself. Just like this woman. 

 



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There's nothing wrong with being proud of your body if you worked hard to get back to a size that makes you happier and healthier. What's at issue (I think anyway) is if you are going to dress, dress appropriately for the body one has. That's not a "bikini body". She could probably absolutely ROCK the right one-piece though.

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I agree with Richard. If you have a pooch, a bikini is probably not the right choice of swimsuit. My sister had that (she eventually got it removed with surgery), but in the meantime, she wore tankinis. No one wants to see a pooch with stretch marks hanging out from your swimsuit!



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Letting people know what a real body looks like after major weight loss is not irrational behavior.

Judging someone for doing something you wouldn't do, and expecting the entire world to be the same as it is in your own narrow pretentious privileged world is contrary to all common sense and rational behavior. But sadly, not unusual.

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Hahaha!

My narrow pretentious privileged world?

I don't think you know me at all. Seriously. Judging me for voicing that I would make a different choice and insulting me? What does that say about you?

I think most of the world tries to hide their figure flaws. Doing so doesn't make one's view a narrow, pretentious and privileged one.

I'm not judging her. I applaud her weight loss. However, I think a different swimsuit choice would be more appropriate and flattering.

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Narrow, pretentious, privileged world? I think most people here said good for her, even though several of us said we wouldn't do it ourselves. In fact, I personally deflected the blame back on my own vanity. Am I supposed to be apologetic because I could afford the surgery if I wanted it, as not to appear pretentious and from a narrow world?

I get why she did the ad. To show reality v fiction of what weight loss does to the body- that it isn't as easy as the celebrities make it sound. That doesn't mean you would ever catch me on a beach in a bikini unless I had the body that I (no one else, me) felt comfortable showing to the world. And for me, with that much excess skin, that would mean surgery. I don't see where that is judging her for her choice. At all.

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I think the picture should have been shown at least somewhere as a good thing as far as letting people know that if you lose a significant amount of weight, yes, there will be extra skin and stretch marks you are going to have to deal with. At least so people can be prepared. I find that whole thing informative. So maybe they could do a story on her and show it and talk about the options and things you can do to deal with the extra skin.

I had a friend who lost about 100 pounds. She was still big at that point but got down to about a size 14. She was super proud of herself which is great but somehow thought she could now wear super short shorts and bikinis...... No. Just no. She had stretch marks, extra skin and was still a little big. I was super proud of her weight lost and very encouraging to her but I was internally cringing at her walking around in bikinis because that is just not flattering to her.

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I agree with Richard. If you have a pooch, a bikini is probably not the right choice of swimsuit. My sister had that (she eventually got it removed with surgery), but in the meantime, she wore tankinis. No one wants to see a pooch with stretch marks hanging out from your swimsuit!


 I found some great swimsuits last year that have ruching on the stomach and the tummy control and it really was flattering and hid my tummy kangaroo pouch. I got lots of compliments on it. 



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I don't really think there are ways to firm up at that kind of loss. Chances are, this is the "firmed up" version already. We aren't talking about 20-50 lbs here. I still have no issue with her in a bikini either even if it would not be something I would do.

That being said, I do not have a problem with her photo not being chosen. I think rejected is a strong label for what happened. I am sure there were lots of photos "rejected" and only a few accepted. I do think it would be an interesting opportunity for Shape to do a piece on the journey of people who have extreme weight loss but they are not required to do so by any mean


 I agree with everything you've said here.

The magazine is not required to show any particular picture but I don't think there's anything wrong with the picture or showing it. I don't think I've ever seen the magazine but it's not a fashion magazine. If the focus is on fitness, exercise, health I don't see why it should matter if the picture isn't "flattering" in the usual sense. It is a realistic picture of that kind of weight loss and I can understand why the woman would submit it.

I also don't care what other people wear to the beach regardless of what their body is like. They're not dressing for me.



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This came up on my facebook feed today so I thought I would share it.

www.dear-internet.com/2014/05/the-truth-behind-before-and-afters.html

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"If the focus is on fitness, exercise, health I don't see why it should matter if the picture isn't "flattering" in the usual sense. It is a realistic picture of that kind of weight loss and I can understand why the woman would submit it."

But magazines don't choose pictures b/c they are realistic. They want pictures that are nice to look at, inspiring, etc. Martha Stewart doesn't show a raw turkey with a pile of gizzards beside it. That may be realistic, but it's not fun to look at.

People are buying a fitness magazine to inspire them to be healthier, lose weight, etc. The magazine wants people to be inspired to lose weight, and thus continue to buy the magazine to help them with that.

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I think there is value in having a picture that reflects reality, and true experience. I can't say nobody would be inspired by this woman's picture and story. I think many people could relate to her and not to the typical before -and -after pictures or the pictures of celebrities that run after they've had babies or whatever.
Like I said, they are not obligated to run the picture. I just don't share the incomprehension or revulsion some seem to towards this woman and her picture.

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I think there is value in having a picture that reflects reality, and true experience. I can't say nobody would be inspired by this woman's picture and story. I think many people could relate to her and not to the typical before -and -after pictures or the pictures of celebrities that run after they've had babies or whatever.
Like I said, they are not obligated to run the picture. I just don't share the incomprehension or revulsion some seem to towards this woman and her picture.


 I agree that there is value in having a picture that reflects reality, and I don't feel revulsion. But I just dont' think she's entitled to have her picture in a magazine and I get the reasons why the magazine may have chosen not to use it. I worked for a guy who was a freelance writer for a while, and one thing I learned is that it's easier to sell a mediocre story with great pictures than it is to sell a great story with mediocre pictures.



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I think there is value in having a picture that reflects reality, and true experience. I can't say nobody would be inspired by this woman's picture and story. I think many people could relate to her and not to the typical before -and -after pictures or the pictures of celebrities that run after they've had babies or whatever.
Like I said, they are not obligated to run the picture. I just don't share the incomprehension or revulsion some seem to towards this woman and her picture.


I don't see anyone here having a reaction of revulsion (maybe I'm just blind to it though). In general I have observed that people wear clothes to accentuate their positives, hide their negatives, and cover those parts that legally must be covered (even if the law is silly).

To me, it's not that she has extra belly skin. It's that she's wearing a bikini and doesn't have a "bikini body". If she were inside and wearing a bra and panties (something seen on commercials any time of day), and it looked like a "this is a real 'after' picture" picture... instead of a "I'm ready to head to the beach!" picture, my reaction to it would be entirely different... even though she'd still have basically the same coverage.



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I think there is value in having a picture that reflects reality, and true experience. I can't say nobody would be inspired by this woman's picture and story. I think many people could relate to her and not to the typical before -and -after pictures or the pictures of celebrities that run after they've had babies or whatever.
Like I said, they are not obligated to run the picture. I just don't share the incomprehension or revulsion some seem to towards this woman and her picture.


I don't see anyone here having a reaction of revulsion (maybe I'm just blind to it though). In general I have observed that people wear clothes to accentuate their positives, hide their negatives, and cover those parts that legally must be covered (even if the law is silly).

To me, it's not that she has extra belly skin. It's that she's wearing a bikini and doesn't have a "bikini body". If she were inside and wearing a bra and panties (something seen on commercials any time of day), and it looked like a "this is a real 'after' picture" picture... instead of a "I'm ready to head to the beach!" picture, my reaction to it would be entirely different... even though she'd still have basically the same coverage.


 This might be true in general but isn't true of everyone. Not everyone has the same perspective on flaws and what to do about them or what it means to have a "bikini body." If people wouldn't do this themselves that is one thing but people seem to be finding it hard to comprehend that not everyone feels the same way - questioning why this woman would want to wear this or submit a picture etc.



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