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Dear Prudence,

My mom doesn’t have two nickels to rub together, as she would say when we were kids. She was not around me and my three siblings after I was about 10 years old. She and my dad divorced, she moved away, and he got custody and remarried. She’s in her 80s, back in our neck of the woods, and we have a cordial relationship (although I never leave my kids alone with her since she didn’t learn any mothering skills while she was gone). All the siblings are successful financially, in varying degrees, with me in fourth place. I have the youngest kids, with college expenses looming. When mom dies, I’m fine with offering to pay one-fourth of the funeral costs, but no more. At least one sibling is not likely to contribute a dime to any funeral expenses. (I suspect cremation will be chosen, because it’s cheaper, despite not being the preferred method according to my religion.) How and when should I broach this subject with Mom and the siblings? If the recalcitrant sibling refuses to participate financially, should I agree to pay one-third or suggest that the much richer sibling to pick up the slack?

—When She’s Gone 

Dear When,
You have no buried treasure with which to bury Mom, so I totally support your and your siblings’ taking the practical approach when your prodigal mother bites the dust. Unlike your own mother, you’re not planning to leave it to others to see that a vulnerable loved one's needs are met. Dust is the way to go because cremation offers a vast savings over traditional burial. None of you are obligated to go broke providing her with a mahogany send-off. Under the best of circumstances adult children and their parents do have frank discussions about end-of-life issues. Your family doesn't sound too experienced at frank discussions, however, so bringing up with Mom your desire for a bargain farewell is probably not a productive way to start. According to various websites, a bare-bones cremation can cost anywhere from around $500 to $1,000. Even split three ways, mom’s departure will not prevent you from sending your kids to college. Go ahead and do some research at local funeral homes in advance. When you talk to them make sure you firmly avoid mortician add-ons: no memorial service, no urn (you must have a large vase in a closet somewhere), etc. Then, when the time comes, you can tell your siblings you've already done the homework on the most economical way to say goodbye. If they want something more elaborate, tell them they'll have to pick up the difference. And let me note that mothers who don’t hear from their children this Mother’s Day’s about life after they’re gone should be grateful. 

—Prudie

 

I am very frugal when it comes to funerals. I think it is outrageous to spend tons of money on them. I believe in the cheapest cremation and I also believe that people should plan to pay for their own funeral expenses. It is not up to others to fund it. So no, I am not paying for our parents funerals. They should have money left over to cover it as far as I know. But if they don't they get the bare minimum and I guess I would pay for that but I would not be happy about it. I am an only child so I can make that decision alone for my parents but for DH's mother I do worry his siblings will try to pull something like want to do a super expensive funeral with lots of extras and then expect DH to pay for it. They would end up very disappointed because our money is shared and I would never agree to it. 

With wills not coming out till after you probably already paid for the funeral, I am not about to pay for an expensive one thinking the inheritance will pay me back because there is no guarantee of that. So whatever they want, they better make sure the money is there accessible to us and/or already paid for or they get the bare minimum. 



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In this case, I don't think this is a discussion the LW should broach with her mom. It doesn't sound like they have a good relationship. If mom opens the discussion, LW is free to share her thoughts.

I'm not sure if opening this topic with her siblings is a good idea. Generally I think these matters should be discussed before the time comes - but it sounds like there might be a lot of mixed feelings here.

The religious angle is another one. The LW doesn't sound like she's particularly worried about that particular aspect. I'm not sure how devout the siblings are.

I think in the LW's shoes, I would do research and find out the least expensive way to do this in accordance with Mom's religious beliefs, then I would be prepared to pay 1/3 of that (assuming the sibling doesn't contribute). Assuming that would not be a hardship for me. I'm assuming that at least one of the siblings shares Mom's religious beliefs, and for me it would be worth a little extra cash to respect those beliefs in order to maintain good sibling relations. I'm not a religious person, but I think if I were and one of my siblings was, "Let's just cremate her and scatter the ashes, it's the cheapest," I would be very upset.

Now, if the other siblings don't give a rat's patoot, then going the cheapest route is fine. And non-contributing siblings don't get a vote.

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See where I live with the deep south christianity religion the majority believe in big funerals with fancy caskets and big services and burials and viewings blah blah and funerals cost minimum around $10,000. No way would DH and I pay 1/3 of that with his siblings. Because we don't believe in that even as Christians. But, his brother tries to be mr perfect christian wannabe pastor guy and would most likely want all that. So he is going to be pissed when we tell him if you want that YOU pay for it. Here is our 1/3 of the basic cheapest fee and you can apply that towards your lavish funeral. No where in the Bible does it say you have to have lavish funerals with fancy coffins blah blah. Jesus was wrapped in burial shrouds and put in a cave. I doubt that cost anywhere close to what that kind of lavish funeral would cost. No way Jose.

Now if you want to do all that, more power to you. Its just not for us.

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I do think that if you had a loving relationship with your parents and you can afford it, I don't really agree with forgoing everything but the bare basics, unless that's what the deceased and all of the survivors want.

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I actually have the opposite problem a bit. Mom wants to be cremated and scattered in a certain National Forest, and Dad wants to be cremated and scatted at Churchill Downs (where they have the Kentucky Derby). But they actually have inherited multiple plots (more than 2) in a beautiful historic cemetary where many members of both sides of our family are buried. A member of the family actually did business with the cemetary and was paid in plots vs in money. They plan to sell the plots. I rather like the idea of being near several generations of family. Plus it has lots of beautiful tombstones and mausoleums.

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I agree if you can afford it, that is one thing. But how do you qualify afford? Would it bankrupt us? Maybe not. Would it mean my kids would have to do without a lot of the things they have now like karate lessons or dance lessons or fancy birthday parties or vacations? Yes. So no, I am not willing to make my kids give up stuff so we can scrape by paying off a huge funeral bill. A lavish funeral would pretty much either have to be financed and become a monthly bill for us or would deplete our savings almost to nothing. That is money we need for a new AC unit when ours breaks or a new water heater when that one breaks or if we somehow get a huge medical bill or if DH gets laid off.

So I don't think unless you are rolling in extra dough it would be prudent to spend that money even if you technically have it at that moment.

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Ophelia, can't the plots just be saved for maybe you and your husband in the future or your kids or grandkids, etc? If your parents don't want them, you could always ask for them to be gifted to you or you can buy them off your parents and save them for yourself. That seems like a decent compromise.

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I'm thinking about doing that, actually. Right now my dad's mom owns them - I think she actually owns 6 or more. She will probably be buried by her 3rd husband (her first one is my dad's dad and he's buried in this cemetary.)

If they want to be scattered, that's fine, I guess I just think maybe they could have a headstone there?

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I think if LW wants to spend as little as possible, she should look into donating dear old mom's body to science. If she's contemplating this route, however, she shouldn't discuss this with mom.

I know it sounds cold but basically she abandoned her kids but now that they're grown, she wants a relationship and when she croaks, it's on them to take care of the business of what to do with her. Go the cheap route.

Frankly, I'm contemplating donating my dumpy wrinkled body so no one has to pay to give me a send-off.

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kinalikamom wrote:

I think if LW wants to spend as little as possible, she should look into donating dear old mom's body to science. If she's contemplating this route, however, she shouldn't discuss this with mom.

I know it sounds cold but basically she abandoned her kids but now that they're grown, she wants a relationship and when she croaks, it's on them to take care of the business of what to do with her. Go the cheap route.

Frankly, I'm contemplating donating my dumpy wrinkled body so no one has to pay to give me a send-off.


 I don't have a problem with this if it's okay with all of the siblings. However, if even one of the siblings is not okay with this, I think that the relationship could be ruined forever.



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If one sibling objects, that sibling can take on the full financial burden of the burial/whatever. If they really care that much, they can step up to the plate.

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I'm sort of in this situation myself....not the absent/returning parent but a parent who hasn't planned for his own burial expenses.

Mom has life insurance but Dad let his lapse and quite matter-of-factly told me he expected his kids to give him a nice burial. Which is all well and good but Twin and Brother barely manage to support themselves and Little Sis' husband is of the mindset that each person should be responsible for his/her own funeral arrangement and costs.

Since it seems that I will end up paying, I will most definitely be the one deciding what a "nice burial" is. If anyone else wants to make the decisions and run the show, they will have to pony up the money for what they want.

It's a good thing that Dad's part of the discussion ended with "you kids will have to give me a nice burial" and that he will never know reality isn't going to live up to his expectations if I'm the only one paying.

 

 

edited to add a word to form a coherent sentence



-- Edited by AquarianGrandma on Thursday 8th of May 2014 11:08:55 PM

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OpheliaDev1 wrote:
kinalikamom wrote:

I think if LW wants to spend as little as possible, she should look into donating dear old mom's body to science. If she's contemplating this route, however, she shouldn't discuss this with mom.

I know it sounds cold but basically she abandoned her kids but now that they're grown, she wants a relationship and when she croaks, it's on them to take care of the business of what to do with her. Go the cheap route.

Frankly, I'm contemplating donating my dumpy wrinkled body so no one has to pay to give me a send-off.


 I don't have a problem with this if it's okay with all of the siblings. However, if even one of the siblings is not okay with this, I think that the relationship could be ruined forever.


 I kinda have looked into science body donation and I think the actual person has to set it up and consent to it BEFORE they die themselves. I could be wrong. From what I understand it is not like donating organs where you just decide and it happens. I think there is a lot more than goes into it. 



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AG: I think you have the right attitude about it. You do the best you can and go from there. You do not owe him anything and especially not to go into debt or overspend for his funeral.

For me I would potentially be okay spending a lot of money on say a wedding or a vacation or a new car because that is something that brings good memories that you enjoy. No one freaking enjoys a funeral. No one really wants to think back fondly on it. So I would rather spend money on something fun and memorable. I would rather spend money giving my mom one last nice vacation before she dies than spending it on a funeral she will not even be around to enjoy and that I will just want to get over with and not remember fondly.

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