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Mom of half a dozen · Guru

Guess the disease.

Farmer Guy · Me and the sheep are tight.

Cindoms that broke, is my guess.

Mom of half a dozen · Guru

Farmer Guy wrote:
Cindoms that broke, is my guess.

LMAO sorry I should have been more clear. I know how I got the kids wink .

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

You have six kids and the oldest isn't 10 yet?

God bless you with patience, endurance and a sense of humor. And lots and lots of food. And toilet paper. -Amen

Without seeing the rash my guess is rosacia.

HamsterFan · Owner of Halvdan

HFMD?

Mom of half a dozen · Guru

dqm either wrote:
You have six kids and the oldest isn't 10 yet?

God bless you with patience, endurance and a sense of humor. And lots and lots of food. And toilet paper. -Amen

Without seeing the rash my guess is rosacia.

The oldest just turned 9 the end of may. His youngest sister turned 1 the month before. I had 6 kids in 8 years.

Mom of half a dozen · Guru

HamsterFan wrote:
HFMD?

You win! I have nothing to give you, but you can come over to my house and my kids can give you Hand, Foot, and Mouth Disease bleh .

EmmDee · Guru

I have no idea but I am curious.

Family Gal · Veteran Member

My guess was HFMD, too. My younger son caught it last year, but did not get a rash, just sores in his mouth. I researched it at that time and saw all the symptoms.

If it's any consolation, it should only last a couple days. Did the Benedryl help, or have you tried ibuprofen or tylenol?

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

Six kids in eight years! Wow. Do you mind giving the ages as of the sixth's birth?

Mine were
Girl 9
Girl 7
Girl 3
Girl born

A friend of mine from my old church had

Boy 20
Girl 15
Girl 10
Girl 5
and was considering one more

If I had to choose between 5 kids 20 years apart and six kids 9 years apart I'd ......

I'd do it the way I did it Lol

Mom of half a dozen · Guru

Family Gal wrote:
My guess was HFMD, too. My younger son caught it last year, but did not get a rash, just sores in his mouth. I researched it at that time and saw all the symptoms.

If it's any consolation, it should only last a couple days. Did the Benedryl help, or have you tried ibuprofen or tylenol?

I did give the 2 with rashes Benadryl. Everyone got Tylenol/Ibuprofen for fevers and pain. Once the Tylenol or Ibuprofen kick in they all feel close to normal, just a little run down. I have been staggering them because if I wait till one wears off to give the other things get bad. Like throwing up, moaning in agony bad. The first couple hours this morning sucked because everyone's drugs had worn off.

Mom of half a dozen · Guru

dqm either wrote:
Six kids in eight years! Wow. Do you mind giving the ages as of the sixth's birth?

Mine were
Girl 9
Girl 7
Girl 3
Girl born

A friend of mine from my old church had

Boy 20
Girl 15
Girl 10
Girl 5
and was considering one more

If I had to choose between 5 kids 20 years apart and six kids 9 years apart I'd ......

I'd do it the way I did it Lol

Boy 7 (just over a month away from his 8th Bday)

Boy 6 1/2

Girl 4 years 5 months

Girl 3 years 3 months

Girl 16-17 months

Girl born

I think I have that right. Grace (the youngest) was born at 36 weeks. So oldest would have been even closer to his Birthday if I had been able to stay pregnant longer.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

Holy cow woman! Lol!

Do you mind my asking how old you are? I'm 41. Was 19 when #1 was born. So I'll be 46 when the last one flies. My friend I was mentioning who had the 20 yo and was considering one more... she was 43 at the time!

She has great kids though. At the time I couldn't even imagine but my imagi ation has gotten much better now. I could do another one (or two) if I was so inclined.

Mom of half a dozen · Guru

I turned 30 on July 1st. I was 20 when I got pregnant, married, and gave birth. In that order lol. DH and I have discussed it and we think we are done. We would kind of like a couple more but don't think we will be having them.

Mata Hari · Veteran Member

not saying this IS what it is
BUT

untreated strep throat ( and you dont always know you have strep) turns into scarlet fever which usually presents as a red rash on torso and extremities.

it is certainly nothing to fool around with

get your kids to the DOCTOR!

asap!!

Mata Hari · Veteran Member

honestly- i cant believe your dosed multiple kids with allergy meds having no idea what they actually had.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

Yeah how dare you relieve your children's symptoms!

EmmDee · Guru

dqm either wrote:
Yeah how dare you relieve your children's symptoms!

Don't be silly, that is a crazy out there concept.

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

If she dosed them for the wrong thing they could have an adverse reaction.
Have you made a Dr's appt yet?

Honestly, if not you need to stop dosing and posting about it on a chat board and take thee and your kids to the doctor. I hope thats what you're doing...

Oy

Almostheretx · Member

I know Peanut gets rashes but when they get that severe and affecting other children I'd be dialing the doc asap or at least go to an urgent clinic.

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

persistant fever...rash....

just about every OTC box of meds has on it somewhere to call a Doctor if the above symtoms persist

EmmDee · Guru

Right, if they persist. Who gets to determine what persist means?

Mata Hari · Veteran Member

dqm either wrote:
Yeah how dare you relieve your children's symptoms!

relief is one thing.

getting the appropriate treatrment IS the priority

Mom of half a dozen · Guru

Mata Hari wrote:
honestly- i cant believe your dosed multiple kids with allergy meds having no idea what they actually had.

I gave 2 children Benadryl, and everyone got a pain reliever/fever reducer. Everyone was dosed based on height/weight that I have on a chart handed to me by their doctor. If I could post pictures I would. It is classic HFMD. All symptoms to a T. My oldest had a form of this 2 years ago. I didn't know what it was and it was the weekend. I took him to the ER. If the meds weren't doing the job I would have already had them into the doctor. If they got worse or didn't respond I would have had them to the doctor. If there was anything the doctor could do to shorten this illness I would take them. There is nothing to be done here. As long as they don't get dehydrated and their temps can be controlled they will be fine.

Honestly, I sort of made a joke of this thread because for some reason I feel really weird about my kids having it. I know it is a virus and very common in children. Nothing to be ashamed of, but truth be told the name of it alone makes it seem dirty. Like we are unclean or something. I assure you I am watching them carefully and I do take this very seriously.

Mata Hari · Veteran Member

EmmDee wrote:
dqm either wrote:
Yeah how dare you relieve your children's symptoms!

Don't be silly, that is a crazy out there concept.

and what worldy experiance with young uns are you basing you snotty comment on?

oh right. none.

read up on scarlet fever before your shoot off your ignorant statements...

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

EmmDee wrote:
Right, if they persist. Who gets to determine what persist means?

blankstare

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

Mata Hari wrote:
EmmDee wrote:
dqm either wrote:
Yeah how dare you relieve your children's symptoms!

Don't be silly, that is a crazy out there concept.
and what worldy experiance with young uns are you basing you snotty comment on?
oh right. none.
read up on scarlet fever before your shoot off your ignorant statements...

I have plenty of experience with youngins. And my comment wasn't meant to be snotty. It was meant tobe sarcastic.

EmmDee · Guru

Mata Hari wrote:
EmmDee wrote:
dqm either wrote:
Yeah how dare you relieve your children's symptoms!

Don't be silly, that is a crazy out there concept.
and what worldy experiance with young uns are you basing you snotty comment on?
oh right. none.
read up on scarlet fever before your shoot off your ignorant statements...

Anything could be something serious. How dare you question Momofhalfdozen taking care of her children. I am sure she is a good mother and knows how to take care of them without your judgemental comments.

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

I would be really careful, that's all. I'm sure you know that but just saying...
I ended up with a nasty lung infection dosing myself thinking it was all sinus and allergy related. The rash after a couple days of otc meds should have been my first clue. i also have rosacea so it can be deceptive

EmmDee · Guru

Mary Zombie wrote:
EmmDee wrote:
Right, if they persist. Who gets to determine what persist means?

Is that an outrageous statement I made or something?

Mom of half a dozen · Guru

Mary Zombie wrote:
EmmDee wrote:
Right, if they persist. Who gets to determine what persist means?

The bottles say if it lasts more than 3 days. In talks I have had with their doctor she seems to agree with the 3 day rule. Unless it isn't working then get them in right away.

EmmDee · Guru

Then it sounds like you are doing the right thing momofhalfdozen and have everything under control.

EmmDee · Guru

Mary Zombie wrote:
I would be really careful, that's all. I'm sure you know that but just saying...
I ended up with a nasty lung infection dosing myself thinking it was all sinus and allergy related. The rash after a couple days of otc meds should have been my first clue. i also have rosacea so it can be deceptive

I am sorry you had to go through that and understand voicing concern. It had been 24 hours or less at the time OP posted. There is a way to mention things to look out for and then there is being rude and condescending towards someone who seems to have things under control (general).

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

Mom of half a dozen wrote:
Mata Hari wrote:
honestly- i cant believe your dosed multiple kids with allergy meds having no idea what they actually had.
I gave 2 children Benadryl, and everyone got a pain reliever/fever reducer. Everyone was dosed based on height/weight that I have on a chart handed to me by their doctor. If I could post pictures I would. It is classic HFMD. All symptoms to a T. My oldest had a form of this 2 years ago. I didn't know what it was and it was the weekend. I took him to the ER. If the meds weren't doing the job I would have already had them into the doctor. If they got worse or didn't respond I would have had them to the doctor. If there was anything the doctor could do to shorten this illness I would take them. There is nothing to be done here. As long as they don't get dehydrated and their temps can be controlled they will be fine.

Honestly, I sort of made a joke of this thread because for some reason I feel really weird about my kids having it. I know it is a virus and very common in children. Nothing to be ashamed of, but truth be told the name of it alone makes it seem dirty. Like we are unclean or something. I assure you I am watching them carefully and I do take this very seriously.

I know exactly what you mean Mom. When mt daughter got lice I was so embarassed. When I had to tell all of her little friends parents I felt like it was a reflection on my family, but she had picked them up at school and I didn't want to NOT tell them.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

Oh good lord her son had a sore throat and then felt better the next day. I ASSURE you cps does not give a flying fig about sore throats.

I'm a mandatory reporter. We have to report abuse and neglect. Even suspected neglect. Sending a kid who was under the weather yesterday out to play with other kids is not abuse or neglect.

Mom of half a dozen · Guru

winds55 wrote:
You suspect strep but don't get it treated.
Then when you have a houseful of kids that you've self-diagnosed with a contagious disease, you send the one kid without any visible signs of illness (but had a headache the night before) to a summer program - why, exactly? Were you TRYING to infect the entire town?

I hope for your kids' sake it isn't anything more serious than what you've decided it is - even though you've pretty much described scarlett fever, which can get very serious, very quickly and lead to permanent heart damage. Or meningitis, which can have complications from hearing loss to death.

If I had your number, I'd be on the phone to CPS right now.

No, I suspected strep. Now I don't think it is. The rash from scarlet fever is not the same as the one for HFMD. It is unique and easy to spot the difference. This is not scarlet fever. Not all rashes are created equal. It isn't uncommon for some kids in our house to get sick and others don't. I have taught my kids the proper way to wash their hands and cover their mouth/nose when coughing/sneezing. It is also not uncommon for one of my boys to get a headache. I never would have sent him to that program if I had know he was sick and even he knows that. Yes, I know some illnesses present as others. It can be deceiving. You mentioned Meningitis, that can masquerade as the common cold and by the time you realize it isn't it's too late, but I don't know even one person who goes to the doctor every time they get a cold.

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

Because she didn't run to the doctor when she seemed to be getting the symptoms under control you felt the need to not only chastise her but try to scare her as well? Good grief CPS has real issues to deal with. You are the one diagnosing an illness on a message board like you know better than they're own mother who is right there dealing with the issue.

EmmDee · Guru

now kapper, you know strangers on the internet know more than the person who is right there, in real life and is the mother of the children.

/sarcasm, just to make the intent clear

Tor · Newbie

EmmDee wrote:
now kapper, you know strangers on the internet know more than the person who is right there, in real life and is the mother of the children.

/sarcasm, just to make the intent clear

And the number of kids one has is directly proportional to their parenting ability Sarcasm, just to make the intent clear

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

I don't think pointing out the obvious is condescending.
That said, At least a phone call to rthe Dr's office might be warranted. Seriously. Why take a chance? That I don't get

-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Thursday 19th of July 2012 09:03:19 AM

tigerlily · Guru

I agree that it's not condescending to try to be helpful, Mary. But, some people don't point out things they see or cautions they would have, they bludgeon the OP with being a terrible mother and should have CPS called on them. That's what makes the difference to me. But that's just my opinion.

-- Edited by tigerlily on Thursday 19th of July 2012 09:09:03 AM

HamsterFan · Owner of Halvdan

Mom of half a dozen wrote:
HamsterFan wrote:
HFMD?
You win! I have nothing to give you, but you can come over to my house and my kids can give you Hand, Foot, and Mouth Disease.

How very kind of you! blankstare I'll be right there. wink

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

winds55 wrote:
well, MD, some people DO know more than the person who is right there, and some people would never take a chance on passing on a contagious disease. Others only care about getting at least one of their kids out of the house because they have more than they can handle, and hey, just because everyone else in the house is sick (because they do such a good job of washing their hands and all that) doesn't mean the one kid who is showing just the beginning of symptoms is sick too.

And CPS DOES care if you don't get proper medical care for your children.

I'm guessing you think this is you. CPS would think you were a crackpot if you put the whole story of how you diagnosed this on a message board, having never even seen the children in question. You sound very bitter about this and it just doesn't make sense but I guess your medical degree entitles you to think this way...Oh wait, you don't have a medical degree, you have nothing to back up your claim, and you know more than the childrens doctor as well. I guess next time I am sick I'll just come to you instead of my real doctor...lol

tigerlily · Guru

I just entered some common cold symptoms into google. Got 7 results - at least one of them can be fatal/permanent damage. However, next time I feel I'm getting a cold, I'm still not going to the ER/doctor to be tested for some rare disease when everything is presenting the same as a common cold unless a new/different/alarming symptom emerges.

Also, last time I had a rash/hives (is there a difference?), I dosed myself with benadryl and then waited to see what happened.

I understand cautioning someone about things to watch out for just in case - that's a really nice and caring thing to do. I don't really understand slamming someone's parenting decisions when her course of action seems pretty similar to what most adults I know would do in the same situation. Plus the online pictures of HFMD and scarlet fever rashes look really dissimilar to me. I'm sure there are cases they can look more alike...but the ones I saw were drastically different.

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

You're missing one key point. She is their mother and dealing with the symptoms. You are a stranger diagnosing on a message board. You have been extremely judgemental about the way she decided to treat her kids. You are the one who is acting like you know what's best for everyone. You also go about stating your feelings on the subject in a very hostile way. Who pissed in your cheerios this morning to make you so confrontational for no appearant reason?

EmmDee · Guru

deleted as to not engage with the nonsense

-- Edited by EmmDee on Thursday 19th of July 2012 03:53:06 PM

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

Every day mothers (and fathers) make the decision whether a child needs to see a doctor. Who is winds to decide for Mom of half a dozen whether they should go or not. Even if winds really though the kids needed to see a doctor she did not have to be so vicious about it. Do you really believe she was trying to help because all I saw was her trying to pick a fight.

tigerlily · Guru

Nah, winds wasn't in my 'helpful' category :) To be honest, it's responses like that which keep me from bothering to post usually. There's a way to disagree with someone without being cruel and unnecessary. Some people have managed share concern in a respectful way. Others haven't.

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

Whether you think it's condescending or not, what does it matter at the end of the day. Seperate issue. I'm just surprised that more people are not strongly advocating that the OP at least call the doctor. Weird

Mischa · Loins of Joy

Mom of half a dozen wrote:
My second daughter (4 1/2 years old) started developing a rash yesterday on her hands. She is always touching things. I thought maybe she was having a slight allergic reaction to something she touched. It wasn't serious and I had other kids who were sick so I just gave her some allergy meds and went on about my day. The other children (oldest boy age 9 and oldest girl age 5 1/2) both had fevers, felt nauseous, and had sore throats. That sounded like strep to me. I was going to just keep an eye on them till this morning and then take them to the doctor if they showed no change. By last night child 5 and 6 (girls ages 2 1/2 and 15 months) started running fevers and clearly felt like crap. Child 2 (boy age 7 1/2) had a headache by bedtime. I drugged everyone and sent them to bed.

This morning child 2 said he felt better. Youngest 2 didn't have fevers anymore and seem tired but better. Oldest boy and oldest girl are still sick but meds help and no rash. Daughter with rash has gotten worse and now has a few spots under her bottom lip/on her chin. I drug almost everyone again and decide we don't need a doctor. Rest for all except boy 2, he gets dropped off at summer program. I get a call about a hour after I drop him off. He has a rash on his hands and feet and he says it itches really bad. I check girl 2s feet after the call and sure enough she has a rash there too. I go pick him up and his hands look like Girl 2s hands. I bring him home drug him and he is now resting in the living-room with all the other sickies.

Still with me? I know it's a lot of kids, it can get confusing. I know what they have. I knew as soon as I got the call from the program about his rash. I suspected this morning when I was looking over girl 2. There is nothing I can do, it has to run it's course. So, if you are still with me what would your diagnosis be?

This is what I see as an issue, in my eyes. Here you have a bunch of sick kids, you are pretty sure in your mind that it's HFMD, but you allowed your son to go to the summer program. It's very contagious--I hope you did call the summer program and let them know what you think he has.