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In 2014, Pot States Will Be Growing Like Weeds

12/09/13 - 04:02 PM EST

NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- The economics of legalizing marijuana for recreational use has several states watching Colorado and Washington to see if revenue can grow like a weed. The latest member of the club is Portland, Maine, which just legalized pot within the city limits. A city ordinance went into effect on Friday, Dec. 6 that allows possession up to 2.5 ounces. It's the first city on the East Coast to legalize recreational use of marijuana.

"It's like the onset of casino gambling," says Alan Bochstein, founder of the 420 Investor. Colorado and Washington are the first states to legalize recreational use of marijuana and the money is as green as the weed.

Colorado's Amendment 64 was expected to save $12 million a year for reduced criminal costs and generate $32 million in new revenue. Washington state says it can save $23 million a year on criminal costs, but thinks the business could deliver up to $530 million, a much higher number than the other states partly because it includes marijuana tourism estimates. 

All in all, it's no wonder other states are jonesing for this new found revenue.

The states are approaching legalization from two different angles: medicinal use and recreational use. States using the medicinal marijuana approach employ varying degrees of enforcement. Illinois passed a medical marijuana bill that is one of the strictest in the country. Patients can't just go to a "doc in a box" for a patient card, they have to be a long time patient of a doctor to receive their card. California is known for its very lax medicinal enforcement where a headache qualifies you as a patient. 

Quite a few states are entering the medicinal arena, including:

Minnesota -- This state had several bills introduced this year. Senate Bill 1641 permits medical marijuana and authorizes cities to enact zoning regulations to address dispensaries. House Bill 1818 also permits medical marijuana use and authorizes rulemaking and fees. A separate measure, House File 508, doesn't legalize marijuana, but instead gives a defense for medicinal use.

New York -- Where you can smell the chiba wafting as you walk down the city streets. Newly elected New York City Mayor Bill DeBlasio is in favor of legalization. Two Senate Bills and one Assembly Bill were filed this year. SB 1682 legalizes pot possession of up to eight ounces and is mostly concerned with organizations, while SB 4406 and Assembly Bill 6357 deals with the patients.

Pennsylvania --  The Keystone state may become the Key Stoned state. It has both a Senate Bill 770 and a House Bill 1181 that provide for the medical use of marijuana.

Meanwhile, other states are skipping the medicinal route altogether and jumping right into recreational. 

Here are the next states expected to say "don't bogart that joint."

Alaska -- John Davis, founder of the Northwest Patient Center says the polling is there to support it, with 54% in favor. Alaska removed the penalties for possessing pot in 1975, so they were ahead of the game. But then in the 1990s an anti-cannabis law was passed, but it wasn't enforced. The Marijuana Policy Project is gathering signatures in Alaska to qualify an initiative for the August 2014 primary election that would make possession legal and regulate it in a similar fashion to alcohol. "A lot of people just realize the writing's on the wall," said Davis.

Arizona -- This conservative state only has 37% of the population opposing decriminalization, with 56% in favor. It was the 15th state to approve marijuana for medicinal purposes. Initially Gov. Jan Brewer opposed it, but then relented. Arizona politician and former marine Ruben Gallego announced he will introduce legislation to legalize marijuana for those 21 and older next year. Davis said most supporters prefer the legislation to land in a presidential election year, because they believe this brings out the youth vote. However, in states where the polling more heavily favors legalizing recreational use, they are pushing to get into the 2014 elections.

California -- A new poll by San Francisco-based Tulchin Research shows a majority want to relax laws against marijuana use and tax it, with 65% in favor of legalization and regulation. This state shows how quickly the public is accepting the idea because in 2010 only 53% felt that way. California has already benefited financially from medicinal marijuana which has potentially raised more than $100 million a year in tax revenue for the state, according to th California Board of equalization. The ACLU announced a new panel headed by California Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom to draft a possible 2016 ballot measure, preferring to wait for the presidential election year.

Oregon -- In November, Oregon's Senate Judiciary Chairman Floyd Prozanski presented legislation that would ask voters if they wanted to legalize marijuana for adults 21 and over. There was already an initiative filed with the elections division that would skip the step of having to gain signatures to qualify the issue for a voting ballot. If the state goes the legislative route, it would cover rules and regulations, like oversight and taxation. Either way, it looks like Oregon is moving full steam ahead.  

There are a few states bucking the trend. Montana, for instance, remains a question mark. Davis believes Montana will follow its western brothers, but the state is actually passing very strict driver impairment laws. Davis said that a majority of voters support decriminalization; however the legislators are actively working against easing its strict medicinal laws.

Illinois passed a medical marijuana bill that is one of the strictest in the country, issuing cards only to those who are longstanding patients of the prescribing doctor. Reversing course entirely, Ohio introduced House Bill 153 that actually repeals the medical use of marijuana.

Once more states go recreational, the next big hurdle for the green revolution will banking. Most marijuana growers and dispensaries can't currently take standard business deductions for a cannabis company according to tax provision 280e. Then, there's the simple issue of daily banking. Marijuana is still considered a controlled substance by the Federal government.

Banks aren't morally opposed to dealing with these customers says Davis, but its small potatoes to them and they don't want to anger their regulators for a miniscule piece of business. That may begin to change since Bank of America (BAC_) said it would take pot revenue in Washington. They just said "yes."

The first country to join in the legal pot business looks to be Uruguay. This country is set to vote on a measure establishing a national regulatory body and official controls for the legal use and sale of marijuana on Tuesday, Dec. 10. Uruguay President Jose Mujica believes that if the government regulates the business of marijuana it will reduce the crime associated with the illegal aspects of the drug. If the bill passes, it will take another 120 days for the government to write regulations ahead of implementation. 

Other countries have decriminalized the use of marijuana but Uruguay is the first to create a regulated national industry.

Of course the country stands to reap tourism dollars for those traveling to the country, even though the government insists only Uruguay citizens will have access to the drug. However, if Amsterdam is any indication of what Uruguay can expect, then the tourists will come. Ninety percent of the people that smoke marijuana in cafes in Amsterdam are foreign tourists. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

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I didn't read the entire article, but I'm for the legalization of pot. Not only will it be subject to sales tax (and whatever excise or luxury taxes states want to slap on it), but it will cut down on the resources spent policing, prosecuting, and punishing those who use/sell it.



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Exactly. I agree with that 100%.

This is one of "The magic two moneymakers" Pot & Prostitution... Both should be legal and taxed.

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I agree with legalization, but I think it needs to be regulated like alcohol, especially in regards to the 'driving under the unfluence' aspects. I haven't studied it enough to decide about sales to minors, though.

Until it's legal under federal regulations, though, there will always be problems with the various state laws.

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I agree with legalization, but I think it needs to be regulated like alcohol, especially in regards to the 'driving under the unfluence' aspects. I haven't studied it enough to decide about sales to minors, though.

Until it's legal under federal regulations, though, there will always be problems with the various state laws.


 I agree w/the above.  There needs to be some regulation.  I wouldn't want to see it sold to minors, as their brains are still developing and growing.  Also, I wouldn't be to crazy about my pilot flying a plane I'm in or a surgeon performing surgery on me being under the influence whether it's pot or alcohol.

But, a small amount for personal use, used in your private home when you don't plan on operating machinery like a car or taking care of an infant, I have no problem with and I'm hoping legalization or decriminilizing will mean law enforcement can focus on other crimes that involve violence.



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winds55 wrote:

I agree with legalization, but I think it needs to be regulated like alcohol, especially in regards to the 'driving under the unfluence' aspects. I haven't studied it enough to decide about sales to minors, though.

Until it's legal under federal regulations, though, there will always be problems with the various state laws.


 I agree w/the above.  There needs to be some regulation.  I wouldn't want to see it sold to minors, as their brains are still developing and growing.  Also, I wouldn't be to crazy about my pilot flying a plane I'm in or a surgeon performing surgery on me being under the influence whether it's pot or alcohol.

But, a small amount for personal use, used in your private home when you don't plan on operating machinery like a car or taking care of an infant, I have no problem with and I'm hoping legalization or decriminilizing will mean law enforcement can focus on other crimes that involve violence.


The bolded leads me to another thing about legalizing it. I firmly believe that for something to be an illegal act there should be a should requirement that there be an "unwilling directly involved victim". Pot smoking has no UNWILLING victim. The smoker freely chose to smoke it, and the seller freely chose to sell it... so even if either of them could be considered a "victim" (which I don't agree with... but... for argument's sake), neither could be considered "unwilling".



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I'm okay with regulating it.

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iluvsuomi1989 wrote:
winds55 wrote:

I agree with legalization, but I think it needs to be regulated like alcohol, especially in regards to the 'driving under the unfluence' aspects. I haven't studied it enough to decide about sales to minors, though.

Until it's legal under federal regulations, though, there will always be problems with the various state laws.


 I agree w/the above.  There needs to be some regulation.  I wouldn't want to see it sold to minors, as their brains are still developing and growing.  Also, I wouldn't be to crazy about my pilot flying a plane I'm in or a surgeon performing surgery on me being under the influence whether it's pot or alcohol.

But, a small amount for personal use, used in your private home when you don't plan on operating machinery like a car or taking care of an infant, I have no problem with and I'm hoping legalization or decriminilizing will mean law enforcement can focus on other crimes that involve violence.


The bolded leads me to another thing about legalizing it. I firmly believe that for something to be an illegal act there should be a should requirement that there be an "unwilling directly involved victim". Pot smoking has no UNWILLING victim. The smoker freely chose to smoke it, and the seller freely chose to sell it... so even if either of them could be considered a "victim" (which I don't agree with... but... for argument's sake), neither could be considered "unwilling".


Terminated babies clearly pass the "unwilling victim" threshold, but I'm a little surprised that you're opposed to abortion.



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winds55 wrote:

I agree with legalization, but I think it needs to be regulated like alcohol, especially in regards to the 'driving under the unfluence' aspects. I haven't studied it enough to decide about sales to minors, though.

Until it's legal under federal regulations, though, there will always be problems with the various state laws.


 I agree w/the above.  There needs to be some regulation.  I wouldn't want to see it sold to minors, as their brains are still developing and growing.  Also, I wouldn't be to crazy about my pilot flying a plane I'm in or a surgeon performing surgery on me being under the influence whether it's pot or alcohol.

But, a small amount for personal use, used in your private home when you don't plan on operating machinery like a car or taking care of an infant, I have no problem with and I'm hoping legalization or decriminilizing will mean law enforcement can focus on other crimes that involve violence.


The bolded leads me to another thing about legalizing it. I firmly believe that for something to be an illegal act there should be a should requirement that there be an "unwilling directly involved victim". Pot smoking has no UNWILLING victim. The smoker freely chose to smoke it, and the seller freely chose to sell it... so even if either of them could be considered a "victim" (which I don't agree with... but... for argument's sake), neither could be considered "unwilling".


Terminated babies clearly pass the "unwilling victim" threshold, but I'm a little surprised that you're opposed to abortion.


That's a different standard. Abortions don't terminate babies, they terminate fetuses. And that's also a "one's rights to one's own body trump anyone else's rights to that body" issue. During the time that abortion is legal, a fetus is (by definition) a parasite (deriving all nutrients and sustenance from the host at a cost to the host).



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Same standard. In every biology textbook in every school, life begins at meiosis (or the stem-cell resulting from meiosis). A "fetus" is no less an unwilling victim because it wasn't granted legal protections.

If you get to declare that it isn't really "life" till x weeks, others get to declare that pot is unlawful. And if you get to demand an unwilling victim standard for laws, one could hardly be more of an unwilling victim than an unborn but forming child.

I prefer to think that issues of pot usage and abortion are more complicated than "unwilling victim yes/no." But any pursuit of such a standard would by implication eliminate abortion. That's why I'm surprised you favor it.

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Same standard. In every biology textbook in every school, life begins at meiosis (or the stem-cell resulting from meiosis). A "fetus" is no less an unwilling victim because it wasn't granted legal protections.

If you get to declare that it isn't really "life" till x weeks, others get to declare that pot is unlawful. And if you get to demand an unwilling victim standard for laws, one could hardly be more of an unwilling victim than an unborn but forming child.

I prefer to think that issues of pot usage and abortion are more complicated than "unwilling victim yes/no." But any pursuit of such a standard would by implication eliminate abortion. That's why I'm surprised you favor it.


Actually it wouldn't eliminate abortion... for the reasons you ignored. I don't declare it "not a life until x weeks", I declare it a fetus... which it is./ I also declare it, by definition, a parasite (which it is).

And the FACT that, by definition, it's a parasite is what makes the difference. When it can live on it's own, it has rights of it's own (kind of like children, by the way).

You are arguing points that do not exist.



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A parasite (if we must use that word) can still be an unwilling victim.

I'll ask it differently. Are you in favor of abortion being lawful, or do you want the "unwilling victim" standard for crimes instead? A fetus/baby/life form terminated against its will is a victim however one looks at it.

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A parasite (if we must use that word) can still be an unwilling victim.

I'll ask it differently. Are you in favor of abortion being lawful, or do you want the "unwilling victim" standard for crimes instead? A fetus/baby/life form terminated against its will is a victim however one looks at it.


Again, different standard. One's rights to one's own body trump all other conditions.

It's not an "either/or" situation, both can exist independently of each other.

 

ETA: even if I agreed that a fetus could be a victim... which it can't since it's not a person until it's born, and the definition of "victim" (noun - a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action) requires "personhood".



-- Edited by RichardInTN on Thursday 12th of December 2013 09:27:31 PM

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Thanks a hell of a lot, PBJ, for hijacking what had promise as an interesting and CIVIL discussion into a BS thread. What do you do, follow Richard around so you can attack him at will? Keep your Geek Table wars over there - none of us want to be subjected to it.

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Thanks a hell of a lot, PBJ, for hijacking what had promise as an interesting and CIVIL discussion into a BS thread. What do you do, follow Richard around so you can attack him at will? Keep your Geek Table wars over there - none of us want to be subjected to it.


It can still be an interesting discussion of the topic at hand... legalizing things that shouldn't even be illegal in the first place.



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So, back to legalization of things:

I'd like to add that I think plural marriage ought to be legal. It's not something I could ever participate in, but I don't see why it can't be legal. I know one of the main sticking points is that minors are being forced into it, but for adults, I think it should be allowed. Another reason against is tax and benefit ramifications, but I think that could be easily solved. There's a place for multiple children on the 1040, spouses could be added similarly. It might be confusing at first, but that's what TurboTax and the like are for. As for Social Security, the spouses would just have to share. If a wife would get $300 based on her husband's income, then three wives would get $100 each, not each get the whole pie.

I hope I got my thoughts across clearly - I'm watching Elf while typing.

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I understood exactly what you said... and I agree with you.

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