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Balloon Animal · Guru

Huff Post-Letter to anonymous note writer about complaining about baby crying all night in hotel

EmmDee · Guru

I have only had issue once with people and noise at a hotel and I just handled it myself. My offenders were younger adults though. It was an older hotel with outside entry and they were sitting outside smoking and drinking and talking/laughing loudly. I asked them once to keep it down and they did for a hour or so and then it got loud again. It was 2 am and we were there to work at our market days booth so had to be up in five hours. I went out and told them they need to go in their room because some people have to sleep so they can get up in the morning. They obliged.

Now, about the baby, I do think it would depend on the atmosphere of the resort. I have not had a child so I do not know how to handle a baby crying all night. I do think choosing to be a parent means there are some things it will now exclude you from. I agree that I would have reported it to hotel management to see what they could do whether it be moving me or seeing if they can assist the parents with something for the baby.

-- Edited by EmmDee on Tuesday 4th of March 2014 10:14:08 AM

OpheliaDev1 · Guru

I agree the LW should have called management. I am trying to understand why the heck somebody would go to a SKI LODGE with a child still at the "crying all night" stage.

Desdenova · Motherhood: Sleep is for the weak!!

There are some parents that think that they can take their kids anywhere, I'm all for making my kid flexible with noise and location and food to be able to take her to most places, but I also want her to be comfortable and happy, and to enjoy vacation time.

That said I don't think I would have taken a baby to a ski resort, I've never been to one, but I doubt that you as a parent get to do a lot of skiing (sp?) when you have an infant with you. If the poor baby was crying all night I would have taken the baby back home, or at least found a way to make the baby more comfortable.

And last but not least, I do not think the baby was crying ALL NIGHT LONG there are a lot of people that exaggerate their complains in order to get more sympathy.

Cactus · Senior Member

If the baby doesn't usually cry all night the parents wouldn't know that it would in this situation and it may not have been possible to go home at that point. I do agree the other person should have contacted management as there may have been something they could do, such as move one of the parties away.

RichardInTN · I believe in I.D.I.C.

If there's a problem with a neighboring room (or people in the hall, or people around the pool, or wherever)... ALWAYS contact staff. Let the staff deal with it.

You (general) don't want to be the one to tick of some wacko. Let the staff take the risk, it's part of their job (unfortunately).

Balloon Animal · Guru

Apparently the guy said the baby was having teething issues that were unexpected. So then get the kid some tylenol and some teething rings and try to make it stop!

The resort according to the guy did have a kids club and cribs so it may have been a kid friendly resort but even then if my child was loud all night long, I would at least ask if we can be moved to a room with no neighbors or offer to buy those people breakfast or something. I would not just act like nothing happened which is apparently what these folks did then got mad when they got the letter.

I have found even just apologizing when your kids are bothering others can make a huge difference because it at least shows you acknowledge the problem and are not one of those parents that think the world owes them something.

RichardInTN · I believe in I.D.I.C.

Oh, and I definitely agree with the "don't take kids to places not meant for kids" sentiment, as well as the "If you have kids, it's up to you to keep them from being an annoyance to others... even if kids are allowed" idea.

Aurora · Senior Member

Balloon Animal wrote:
Apparently the guy said the baby was having teething issues that were unexpected. So then get the kid some tylenol and some teething rings and try to make it stop!

The resort according to the guy did have a kids club and cribs so it may have been a kid friendly resort but even then if my child was loud all night long, I would at least ask if we can be moved to a room with no neighbors or offer to buy those people breakfast or something. I would not just act like nothing happened which is apparently what these folks did then got mad when they got the letter.

I have found even just apologizing when your kids are bothering others can make a huge difference because it at least shows you acknowledge the problem and are not one of those parents that think the world owes them something.

This is the second time you mention giving the child medication for the benefit of others, not the child. I am not willing to do that. Drugs only come into play when best for DD, not for any other reason, including my own comfort. The idea of doing otherwise bothers me immensely. Sometimes things don't work, and kids cry, personally that is not a reason to gives drugs. You don't go to a hotel if you expect no noise. Call the hotel management if their is an issue, they will do what they can to solve it. Solving it does not involve giving meds just to make the "neighbors" happy.

-- Edited by Aurora on Tuesday 4th of March 2014 09:06:53 PM

EmmDee · Guru

I do think there is a difference between no noise and excessive noise. That being said, I am against giving unneeded meds to my child that will never bed. I also would not judge if someone did make that choice. I guess I don't have a strong stance on it. I am pretty hands off in my opinion of the choices parents make as long as that choice doesn't negatively impact me. While I don't expect complete silence, I do expect that if I have the tv on, I should be able to tune out the rest of the noises. If the outside noises are louder than the tv in my own room can drown out, there is a problem.

RichardInTN · I believe in I.D.I.C.

Aurora wrote:
Balloon Animal wrote:
Apparently the guy said the baby was having teething issues that were unexpected. So then get the kid some tylenol and some teething rings and try to make it stop!

The resort according to the guy did have a kids club and cribs so it may have been a kid friendly resort but even then if my child was loud all night long, I would at least ask if we can be moved to a room with no neighbors or offer to buy those people breakfast or something. I would not just act like nothing happened which is apparently what these folks did then got mad when they got the letter.

I have found even just apologizing when your kids are bothering others can make a huge difference because it at least shows you acknowledge the problem and are not one of those parents that think the world owes them something.
This is the second time you mention giving the child medication for the benefit of others, not the child. I am not willing to do that. Drugs only come into play when best for DD, not for any other reason, including my own comfort. The idea of doing otherwise bothers me immensely. Sometimes things don't work, and kids cry, personally that is not a reason to gives drugs. You don't go to a hotel if you expect no noise. Call the hotel management if their is an issue, they will do what they can to solve it. Solving it does not involve giving meds just to make the "neighbors" happy.

I'm confused. How did you get "giving the child medication for the benefit of others, not the child." from "the baby was having teething issues that were unexpected. So then get the kid some tylenol and some teething rings and try to make it stop"?

Relieving the teething pain of the child IS a benefit to the child in my book. That the child stops fussing because it's no longer in pain is a side effect (a welcome one, but a side effect none the less).

HamsterFan · Owner of Halvdan

What good would the anonymous note do? Seriously? I'd just contact the hotel staff and let them deal with it.

Aurora · Senior Member

EmmDee wrote:
I do think there is a difference between no noise and excessive noise. That being said, I am against giving unneeded meds to my child that will never bed. I also would not judge if someone did make that choice. I guess I don't have a strong stance on it. I am pretty hands off in my opinion of the choices parents make as long as that choice doesn't negatively impact me. While I don't expect complete silence, I do expect that if I have the tv on, I should be able to tune out the rest of the noises. If the outside noises are louder than the tv in my own room can drown out, there is a problem.

And I get that would be a problem, but it would be one I would take up with management, not the parent who is probably doing his or her best.

Aurora · Senior Member

RichardInTN wrote:
Aurora wrote:
Balloon Animal wrote:
Apparently the guy said the baby was having teething issues that were unexpected. So then get the kid some tylenol and some teething rings and try to make it stop!

The resort according to the guy did have a kids club and cribs so it may have been a kid friendly resort but even then if my child was loud all night long, I would at least ask if we can be moved to a room with no neighbors or offer to buy those people breakfast or something. I would not just act like nothing happened which is apparently what these folks did then got mad when they got the letter.

I have found even just apologizing when your kids are bothering others can make a huge difference because it at least shows you acknowledge the problem and are not one of those parents that think the world owes them something.
This is the second time you mention giving the child medication for the benefit of others, not the child. I am not willing to do that. Drugs only come into play when best for DD, not for any other reason, including my own comfort. The idea of doing otherwise bothers me immensely. Sometimes things don't work, and kids cry, personally that is not a reason to gives drugs. You don't go to a hotel if you expect no noise. Call the hotel management if their is an issue, they will do what they can to solve it. Solving it does not involve giving meds just to make the "neighbors" happy.
I'm confused. How did you get "giving the child medication for the benefit of others, not the child." from "the baby was having teething issues that were unexpected. So then get the kid some tylenol and some teething rings and try to make it stop"?
Relieving the teething pain of the child IS a benefit to the child in my book. That the child stops fussing because it's no longer in pain is a side effect (a welcome one, but a side effect none the less).

First it was give the child a sleep aid (benadryl which really should be used for it's antihistamine affects), then the tylenol. Given that often MDs don't recommend meds anymore for most teething plus the drug rec twice, it rubbed me the wrong way. It was like, oh just treat them so they shut up, not what is the best course of action for my child's well being.

Balloon Animal · Guru

Aurora wrote:
Balloon Animal wrote:
Apparently the guy said the baby was having teething issues that were unexpected. So then get the kid some tylenol and some teething rings and try to make it stop!

The resort according to the guy did have a kids club and cribs so it may have been a kid friendly resort but even then if my child was loud all night long, I would at least ask if we can be moved to a room with no neighbors or offer to buy those people breakfast or something. I would not just act like nothing happened which is apparently what these folks did then got mad when they got the letter.

I have found even just apologizing when your kids are bothering others can make a huge difference because it at least shows you acknowledge the problem and are not one of those parents that think the world owes them something.
This is the second time you mention giving the child medication for the benefit of others, not the child. I am not willing to do that. Drugs only come into play when best for DD, not for any other reason, including my own comfort. The idea of doing otherwise bothers me immensely. Sometimes things don't work, and kids cry, personally that is not a reason to gives drugs. You don't go to a hotel if you expect no noise. Call the hotel management if their is an issue, they will do what they can to solve it. Solving it does not involve giving meds just to make the "neighbors" happy.

-- Edited by Aurora on Tuesday 4th of March 2014 09:06:53 PM

Tylenol would make the BABY happy because it would alleviate her teething pain. What my pediatrician always said to do if the kids are in teething pain, or Motrin. For a kid having issues at night I was told a dose of benadryl can help and it is completely harmless and safe since some people take it all the time for allergies. It would be one thing to give them something that has no benefit for them but in this case both drugs would benefit the child. Do you think the child wants to be up all night in pain? She would rather be able to sleep too.

Balloon Animal · Guru

The only thing I was told not to do for teething pain is the numbing drops as they can numb the throat and cause choking. So we never did those but tylenol is completely harmless when given when needed. Don't you take meds when you have a headache? This is no different.

Balloon Animal · Guru

Actually I bring tylenol and benadryl and Delsym along with nebulizer and albuterol with me ANYTIME I travel with my kids. Because you never know when you might need it and don't want to have to run out in an unfamiliar area in the middle of the night to get it. Even when they are not sick at all it still gets packed because you never know. Personally I think that makes me a super awesome prepared parent. Not a drug pusher. I don't like seeing my kids in pain either.

RichardInTN · I believe in I.D.I.C.

Aurora wrote:
RichardInTN wrote:
Aurora wrote:
Balloon Animal wrote:
Apparently the guy said the baby was having teething issues that were unexpected. So then get the kid some tylenol and some teething rings and try to make it stop!

The resort according to the guy did have a kids club and cribs so it may have been a kid friendly resort but even then if my child was loud all night long, I would at least ask if we can be moved to a room with no neighbors or offer to buy those people breakfast or something. I would not just act like nothing happened which is apparently what these folks did then got mad when they got the letter.

I have found even just apologizing when your kids are bothering others can make a huge difference because it at least shows you acknowledge the problem and are not one of those parents that think the world owes them something.
This is the second time you mention giving the child medication for the benefit of others, not the child. I am not willing to do that. Drugs only come into play when best for DD, not for any other reason, including my own comfort. The idea of doing otherwise bothers me immensely. Sometimes things don't work, and kids cry, personally that is not a reason to gives drugs. You don't go to a hotel if you expect no noise. Call the hotel management if their is an issue, they will do what they can to solve it. Solving it does not involve giving meds just to make the "neighbors" happy.
I'm confused. How did you get "giving the child medication for the benefit of others, not the child." from "the baby was having teething issues that were unexpected. So then get the kid some tylenol and some teething rings and try to make it stop"?
Relieving the teething pain of the child IS a benefit to the child in my book. That the child stops fussing because it's no longer in pain is a side effect (a welcome one, but a side effect none the less).
First it was give the child a sleep aid (benadryl which really should be used for it's antihistamine affects), then the tylenol. Given that often MDs don't recommend meds anymore for most teething plus the drug rec twice, it rubbed me the wrong way. It was like, oh just treat them so they shut up, not what is the best course of action for my child's well being.

I had no argument against the first issue you had (wasn't even sure where that was at the time, to be honest).

I was (and still am) just trying to figure out where you got "giving the child medication for the benefit of others, not the child." from "the baby was having teething issues that were unexpected. So then get the kid some tylenol and some teething rings and try to make it stop".

When we had teething of The 10 Year Old, we treated it with numerous things... all with Pediatrician blessing (including Children's Tylenol {liquid form}). All those treatments had a side effect. That side effect was blessed silence. Again: How is treating the problem "doing something in the interests of others and not the child"?

Edited to add that we treated with Tylenol

-- Edited by RichardInTN on Wednesday 5th of March 2014 02:12:28 AM

Balloon Animal · Guru

I get what she is trying to say as far as she would not give her kids meds for no reason other than to wonk them out. I understand that. But in this case, there was a valid reason to treat them -teething pain which is treated with tylenol. I gave DS some benadryl tonight before bed and have done so the last couple nights because he has been having lots of snot and coughing and it helps with that and helps him sleep. He needs sleep so he can get better. We all need it.

winds55 · Guru

Tylenol is NOT without side effects and is NOT completely harmless. No medication is. Giving a kid Benadryl because of symptoms it relieves, such as coughing and snot, is not the same as giving it to a baby just to help him sleep.

Aurora · Senior Member

winds55 wrote:
Tylenol is NOT without side effects and is NOT completely harmless. No medication is. Giving a kid Benadryl because of symptoms it relieves, such as coughing and snot, is not the same as giving it to a baby just to help him sleep.

Thank you Winds. Someone gets my point.

RichardInTN · I believe in I.D.I.C.

winds55 wrote:
Tylenol is NOT without side effects and is NOT completely harmless. No medication is. Giving a kid Benadryl because of symptoms it relieves, such as coughing and snot, is not the same as giving it to a baby just to help him sleep.

Please, point out where anyone EVER said otherwise... Thanks.

winds55 · Guru

If you reread Balloon Animal's posts, you would have both your 'show me' demands met.

EmmDee · Guru

I have never really understood why parents can't accept that all parents make different choices. Doctors make different recommendations. One opinion working for one family does not make the opinion that works for the second family wrong. There are many right answer when it comes to family and some of them conflict with each other. They are personal choices.

Balloon Animal · Guru

I never said just give them meds for no reason. I don't approve of that either. Typically if a child is up all night long there is a reason relating to medical issues. Whether it be a cold with snot and coughing, ear pain, teething pain, gas pain, etc. My kids barring when they were infants (this child is not a newborn, it is 17 months) never stay up crying all night without some kind of medical reason. So I meant find out what is wrong with the child and then treat it and then get to sleep so your family and hotel neighbors can all sleep and everyone is happy.

My kids when they were that age would wake up for a few minutes and I settle them right back down so it would not pro-longingly bother hotel neighbors. But continued fussing and not sleeping there is a valid reason and I would treat that reason immediately. If they did not have meds due to bad planning on their part (parents should probably always carry that stuff with them when they travel just in case), then run out to the nearest store and get some.

RichardInTN · I believe in I.D.I.C.

winds55 wrote:
If you reread Balloon Animal's posts, you would have both your 'show me' demands met.

I read all of BA's posts and the closest to that I could find was "harmless" and "safe". Neither contradict the idea of side effects, and "harmless" is, when take in context, appropriate for the sentence it's in.

So MAYBE one could be met... if you stretch things and bend them enough.

winds55 · Guru

Balloon Animal wrote:
I never said just give them meds for no reason. I don't approve of that either. Typically if a child is up all night long there is a reason relating to medical issues. Whether it be a cold with snot and coughing, ear pain, teething pain, gas pain, etc. My kids barring when they were infants (this child is not a newborn, it is 17 months) never stay up crying all night without some kind of medical reason. So I meant find out what is wrong with the child and then treat it and then get to sleep so your family and hotel neighbors can all sleep and everyone is happy.

My kids when they were that age would wake up for a few minutes and I settle them right back down so it would not pro-longingly bother hotel neighbors. But continued fussing and not sleeping there is a valid reason and I would treat that reason immediately. If they did not have meds due to bad planning on their part (parents should probably always carry that stuff with them when they travel just in case), then run out to the nearest store and get some.

"give the kid some benadryl to get her to sleep " From the OP - YOUR statement.

Balloon Animal · Guru

winds55 wrote:
Balloon Animal wrote:
I never said just give them meds for no reason. I don't approve of that either. Typically if a child is up all night long there is a reason relating to medical issues. Whether it be a cold with snot and coughing, ear pain, teething pain, gas pain, etc. My kids barring when they were infants (this child is not a newborn, it is 17 months) never stay up crying all night without some kind of medical reason. So I meant find out what is wrong with the child and then treat it and then get to sleep so your family and hotel neighbors can all sleep and everyone is happy.

My kids when they were that age would wake up for a few minutes and I settle them right back down so it would not pro-longingly bother hotel neighbors. But continued fussing and not sleeping there is a valid reason and I would treat that reason immediately. If they did not have meds due to bad planning on their part (parents should probably always carry that stuff with them when they travel just in case), then run out to the nearest store and get some.
"give the kid some benadryl to get her to sleep " From the OP - YOUR statement.

Yes, but did I qualify as to why you would give them benadryl? No. That was just one of several options I suggested they take. Medication could be one of the things that could help depending on why they are crying (in this case it was illness related).

RichardInTN · I believe in I.D.I.C.

winds55 wrote:
Balloon Animal wrote:
I never said just give them meds for no reason. I don't approve of that either. Typically if a child is up all night long there is a reason relating to medical issues. Whether it be a cold with snot and coughing, ear pain, teething pain, gas pain, etc. My kids barring when they were infants (this child is not a newborn, it is 17 months) never stay up crying all night without some kind of medical reason. So I meant find out what is wrong with the child and then treat it and then get to sleep so your family and hotel neighbors can all sleep and everyone is happy.

My kids when they were that age would wake up for a few minutes and I settle them right back down so it would not pro-longingly bother hotel neighbors. But continued fussing and not sleeping there is a valid reason and I would treat that reason immediately. If they did not have meds due to bad planning on their part (parents should probably always carry that stuff with them when they travel just in case), then run out to the nearest store and get some.
"give the kid some benadryl to get her to sleep " From the OP - YOUR statement.

If I have a heavy cough I may say that I "took some Nyquil to help me sleep." Does that mean I didn't take it for the cough because I didn't say "I took Nyquil for the cough I had"? No. It doesn't.

Aurora · Senior Member

Balloon Animal wrote:
winds55 wrote:
Balloon Animal wrote:
I never said just give them meds for no reason. I don't approve of that either. Typically if a child is up all night long there is a reason relating to medical issues. Whether it be a cold with snot and coughing, ear pain, teething pain, gas pain, etc. My kids barring when they were infants (this child is not a newborn, it is 17 months) never stay up crying all night without some kind of medical reason. So I meant find out what is wrong with the child and then treat it and then get to sleep so your family and hotel neighbors can all sleep and everyone is happy.

My kids when they were that age would wake up for a few minutes and I settle them right back down so it would not pro-longingly bother hotel neighbors. But continued fussing and not sleeping there is a valid reason and I would treat that reason immediately. If they did not have meds due to bad planning on their part (parents should probably always carry that stuff with them when they travel just in case), then run out to the nearest store and get some.
"give the kid some benadryl to get her to sleep " From the OP - YOUR statement.
Yes, but did I qualify as to why you would give them benadryl? No. That was just one of several options I suggested they take. Medication could be one of the things that could help depending on why they are crying (in this case it was illness related).

Not according to the link in the OP. Unless, of course, I missed it? Benadryl is not a medicine for teething. The fact that you recommend it bothered me. And, I get to be bothered by it.

-- Edited by Aurora on Wednesday 5th of March 2014 08:49:54 PM

Balloon Animal · Guru

I think you are nitpicking sentence structure. I stated I don't believe in giving meds to kids for no reason. So you either take me at my word or not. But for an illness that is causing them discomfort that is keeping them from sleeping, hell yes medicate away.

Balloon Animal · Guru

Aurora wrote:
Balloon Animal wrote:
winds55 wrote:
Balloon Animal wrote:
I never said just give them meds for no reason. I don't approve of that either. Typically if a child is up all night long there is a reason relating to medical issues. Whether it be a cold with snot and coughing, ear pain, teething pain, gas pain, etc. My kids barring when they were infants (this child is not a newborn, it is 17 months) never stay up crying all night without some kind of medical reason. So I meant find out what is wrong with the child and then treat it and then get to sleep so your family and hotel neighbors can all sleep and everyone is happy.

My kids when they were that age would wake up for a few minutes and I settle them right back down so it would not pro-longingly bother hotel neighbors. But continued fussing and not sleeping there is a valid reason and I would treat that reason immediately. If they did not have meds due to bad planning on their part (parents should probably always carry that stuff with them when they travel just in case), then run out to the nearest store and get some.
"give the kid some benadryl to get her to sleep " From the OP - YOUR statement.
Yes, but did I qualify as to why you would give them benadryl? No. That was just one of several options I suggested they take. Medication could be one of the things that could help depending on why they are crying (in this case it was illness related).
Not according to the link in the OP. Unless, of course, I missed it? Benadryl is not a medicine for teething. The fact that you recommend it bothered me. And, I get to be bothered by it.

-- Edited by Aurora on Wednesday 5th of March 2014 08:49:54 PM

The writer of the letter posted on his blog about the teething part of it which I saw.

winds55 · Guru

Balloon Animal wrote:
I think you are nitpicking sentence structure. I stated I don't believe in giving meds to kids for no reason. So you either take me at my word or not. But for an illness that is causing them discomfort that is keeping them from sleeping, hell yes medicate away.

No, she's not nitpicking sentence structure. She's disagreeing with what you said. You backtracking doesn't change that.

Balloon Animal · Guru

winds55 wrote:
Balloon Animal wrote:
I think you are nitpicking sentence structure. I stated I don't believe in giving meds to kids for no reason. So you either take me at my word or not. But for an illness that is causing them discomfort that is keeping them from sleeping, hell yes medicate away.
No, she's not nitpicking sentence structure. She's disagreeing with what you said. You backtracking doesn't change that.

Think what you want. Does not make it so. FYI you can take benadryl every day without harm. It is like the mildest drug out there. Just saying.... But no, I never give it to my kids unless they have some kind of allergy or cold symptoms or need help sleeping due to ear pain or something like that. Which is doctor sanctioned.

-- Edited by Balloon Animal on Thursday 6th of March 2014 09:45:58 AM

Aurora · Senior Member

Balloon Animal wrote:
winds55 wrote:
Balloon Animal wrote:
I think you are nitpicking sentence structure. I stated I don't believe in giving meds to kids for no reason. So you either take me at my word or not. But for an illness that is causing them discomfort that is keeping them from sleeping, hell yes medicate away.
No, she's not nitpicking sentence structure. She's disagreeing with what you said. You backtracking doesn't change that.
Think what you want. Does not make it so. FYI you can take benadryl every day without harm. It is like the mildest drug out there. Just saying.... But no, I never give it to my kids unless they have some kind of allergy or cold symptoms or need help sleeping due to ear pain or something like that. Which is doctor sanctioned.

-- Edited by Balloon Animal on Thursday 6th of March 2014 09:45:58 AM

Drugs always have an effect within the body, no doctor would recommend daily drug use unless the reward outweighed the potential risk but that does not mean that there is not ALWAYS a risk. And at smaller mass as well as being during development, the risk is greatly increased. Keep in mind that often these drugs are not tested on this age group and therefore no one can say with certainty that any drug is low risk in this group.

just hanging around · Senior Member

if BA's doctor has discussed the use of these drugs in the manner that she is talking about them, then i don't see the need for debate. in general terms, sure. but she stated that her doctor approved using these for her children, and what circumstances he agreed with their use. i'm not going to sit here and tell her that she is wrong.

to the topic, i have no idea why the child was crying all night, but the note was hardly productive. better to contact the front desk, and have them deal with it. but then i'm not a big fan of anonymous notes to begin with.

Aurora · Senior Member

just hanging around wrote:
if BA's doctor has discussed the use of these drugs in the manner that she is talking about them, then i don't see the need for debate. in general terms, sure. but she stated that her doctor approved using these for her children, and what circumstances he agreed with their use. i'm not going to sit here and tell her that she is wrong.

to the topic, i have no idea why the child was crying all night, but the note was hardly productive. better to contact the front desk, and have them deal with it. but then i'm not a big fan of anonymous notes to begin with.

JHA, what rubbed me the wrong way was "But I also think the parents should have realized if their child is up screaming loudly all night long it might be bothering other guests so quiet the child, give the kid some benadryl to get her to sleep or ask to move to a room away from other guests or go get a cabin or something or go home. " as if this was something one should do. Just a quick, easy solution, done. I don't agree that drugs should ever been seen that way. That was where my comment was, not for BA's children but for the judgement of others who do not use them this way. I certainly never would.

just hanging around · Senior Member

Aurora wrote:
JHA, what rubbed me the wrong way was "But I also think the parents should have realized if their child is up screaming loudly all night long it might be bothering other guests so quiet the child, give the kid some benadryl to get her to sleep or ask to move to a room away from other guests or go get a cabin or something or go home. " as if this was something one should do. Just a quick, easy solution, done. I don't agree that drugs should ever been seen that way. That was where my comment was, not for BA's children but for the judgement of others who do not use them this way. I certainly never would.

i get that. i also get that many moons ago, benadryl was used for just that purpose. i also think that BA meant her initial comment in the manner that she later clarified. but then i'm of the opinion that a child would only cry all night long because they were sick or in pain; otherwise, the crying itself would tire them out and they would sleep. so, to her mind (and mine), the child who was crying all night was crying because they were sick or in pain. she simply didn't state it well.

i've had issues with that myself. i start typing a reply and omit a vital piece of information from my point of view because to me, it's so glaringly obvious that it probably doesn't need to be mentioned. but it does need to be mentioned to people who are only reading what it written, and who don't think as i do or know me well enough to insert the part of my opinion that i omitted.

winds55 · Guru

Balloon Animal wrote:
winds55 wrote:
Balloon Animal wrote:
I think you are nitpicking sentence structure. I stated I don't believe in giving meds to kids for no reason. So you either take me at my word or not. But for an illness that is causing them discomfort that is keeping them from sleeping, hell yes medicate away.
No, she's not nitpicking sentence structure. She's disagreeing with what you said. You backtracking doesn't change that.
Think what you want. Does not make it so. FYI you can take benadryl every day without harm. It is like the mildest drug out there. Just saying.... But no, I never give it to my kids unless they have some kind of allergy or cold symptoms or need help sleeping due to ear pain or something like that. Which is doctor sanctioned.

-- Edited by Balloon Animal on Thursday 6th of March 2014 09:45:58 AM

FYI - the Benadryl website - you know, where they put all the information about the drug on - says it is not to be used to make a kid sleepy, and is not to be given to children under 2 years of age. Just because your doctor chooses to prescribe off-label doesn't mean every doctor, or every parent, is willing to do so.

If your kid has an ear infection, get an antibiotic and ear drops - works wonders.

Balloon Animal · Guru

Winds: ear drops and antibiotics cure ear infections but the pain will still be there a day or two till they start to really work well. So that is what the tylenol would be for. Or benadryl if what caused the ear infection (which is usually the case with my kids and many others) was a runny nose that is still running and backing up into their ears will help with that to keep it from getting worse.

winds55 · Guru

Do you actually read what you write, BA?

"FYI you can take benadryl every day without harm. It is like the mildest drug out there. Just saying.... But no, I never give it to my kids unless they have some kind of allergy or cold symptoms or need help sleeping due to ear pain or something like that."

just hanging around · Senior Member

winds55 wrote:
Do you actually read what you write, BA?

"FYI you can take benadryl every day without harm. It is like the mildest drug out there. Just saying.... But no, I never give it to my kids unless they have some kind of allergy or cold symptoms or need help sleeping due to ear pain or something like that."

winds, i thought that BA explained why she would use Benadryl for her own children very clearly in the post just above yours.

do you read what she posts, or do you just choose to criticize her on specific posts? and did you never have to further explain a post you made, so your meaning was made clear? if it's the second, good for you. i've had to explain my posts on other boards several times, when my meaning wasn't as clear as i apparently thought that it was.

-- Edited by just hanging around on Thursday 6th of March 2014 08:27:27 PM