Invisapeeps 2.0

Mischa · Loins of Joy

RE: Guess the disease.

EmmDee · Guru

My feelings on the going to the doctor are that if the symptoms persist after 24-48 hours or so and the medication is not helping, then go to the doctor. Once it becomes apparent the meds are not helping at all or are only treating symptoms and not the cause, make an appointment. The only thing I really see that Momofhalfdozen should have done differently is keep all of the children home until knowing if it is contagious or not.

And I don't think she should be jumped all over because at the time of her posting it has been less than 24 hours. If my mom took me to the doctor within 24 hours of every time I had something wrong, I would have practically lived there as I had a very sick childhood.

tigerlily · Guru

Does everyone here go to the doctor when they begin getting a cold to be sure it's not strep or superflu or sarcoidosis? I don't and I never thought that was weird.

I don't think it's at all condescending to advise someone to call their doctor about illnesses. Most of the people pushing for a doctor call are not being mean/condescending/cruel. It's only 1 or 2 people who are being mean for the sake of it. They're not really trying to help - they're trying to assert their superiority over someone else and to hurt someone in the process. To me, that's a problem. One I can't do anything about :)

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

Mischa wrote:
Mom of half a dozen wrote:
My second daughter (4 1/2 years old) started developing a rash yesterday on her hands. She is always touching things. I thought maybe she was having a slight allergic reaction to something she touched. It wasn't serious and I had other kids who were sick so I just gave her some allergy meds and went on about my day. The other children (oldest boy age 9 and oldest girl age 5 1/2) both had fevers, felt nauseous, and had sore throats. That sounded like strep to me. I was going to just keep an eye on them till this morning and then take them to the doctor if they showed no change. By last night child 5 and 6 (girls ages 2 1/2 and 15 months) started running fevers and clearly felt like crap. Child 2 (boy age 7 1/2) had a headache by bedtime. I drugged everyone and sent them to bed.

This morning child 2 said he felt better. Youngest 2 didn't have fevers anymore and seem tired but better. Oldest boy and oldest girl are still sick but meds help and no rash. Daughter with rash has gotten worse and now has a few spots under her bottom lip/on her chin. I drug almost everyone again and decide we don't need a doctor. Rest for all except boy 2, he gets dropped off at summer program. I get a call about a hour after I drop him off. He has a rash on his hands and feet and he says it itches really bad. I check girl 2s feet after the call and sure enough she has a rash there too. I go pick him up and his hands look like Girl 2s hands. I bring him home drug him and he is now resting in the living-room with all the other sickies.

Still with me? I know it's a lot of kids, it can get confusing. I know what they have. I knew as soon as I got the call from the program about his rash. I suspected this morning when I was looking over girl 2. There is nothing I can do, it has to run it's course. So, if you are still with me what would your diagnosis be?

This is what I see as an issue, in my eyes. Here you have a bunch of sick kids, you are pretty sure in your mind that it's HFMD, but you allowed your son to go to the summer program. It's very contagious--I hope you did call the summer program and let them know what you think he has.

This is concerning as well. Meesh....we peeps in the medical field can be super annoying can't we?? My sister always teases me when I say things like that to her or scold her for not finishing antibiotics in order to stock pile them. but hello.... meet Super Bug...... KWIM?

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kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

It's one thing to suggest, it's another to bash the crap out of someone doing what they think is best. Mary Z has suggested (with reasons why) Mom get a doctors opinion. Winds attacked and threatened Mom so I think we can all see the difference.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

Yes, CPS does care that kids get proper medical treatment but CPS would also agree that Mom o's treatment of her kids was proper and reasonable. If you don't believe me (I'm not a Social Worker) you can ask them.

If you don't have time I'd be willing to post a guideline for when you should call. It's pretty detailed so I'll need to get to a computer but I'm more than happy to do it.

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

Another thing that bugs me is that you can have strep with no sore throat, just like you can have a sore throat and no strep. heck...I've gotten it while on antibiotics for something else....

Just a buggaboo Of mine

uglydude42 · Senior Member

Here is a very timely question:

Momofhalfadozen, have you called the kids Dr to discuss their symptoms and what you have done to this point?

Mom of half a dozen · Guru

UPDATE*

Girl 2, the first to show signs of HFMD, is doing great. I did give her Tylenol and Benadryl last night before bed. I wanted to be sure she would get a restful nights sleep. She hasn't had anything in over 16 hours now and isn't running a fever. She doesn't feel nauseous anymore either. She says her rash is still "itchy" but it looks like it is drying up. Oldest boy and oldest girl are fine. They got Tylenol last night before bed as well, they said their throats were a little scratchy when they swallowed food. Boy 2 has no symptoms other than the rash, he feels fine and wishes I would let him eat regular food lol. I think he may develop them later today though as girl 2 only had a rash for the first day as well. That is why I am keeping him on a bland diet. Baby girl is fine and has had no issues since waking up yesterday morning. Child 5 has been fine since yesterday morning as well but I noticed spots on her foot when I was changing her this morning. All in all good progress, though I think I might be being played. It seems some throats are a little sore now, and they would like some ice cream evileye .

I did want to say I don't mind the suggestions of taking them to the doctor. I am not offended and I didn't get my feeling hurt because someone else would do it differently wink . HFMD is a very common childhood illness. It is sort of like the common cold. The only thing you need to watch for is a fever that can't be control or dehydration. That is when things start getting dangerous. I think the reason people freak out about it is the name sounds so serious. It has the word disease in it. It makes it seem worse than it is.

As for taking him to the program, I don't make all my kids stay home when some of them get sick. 2 of the kids got strep from another kid on the bus last winter. All the other kids went on about their normal days. The ones who went to school still had to go. Not sick? You can't stay home. I thought he was ok or I wouldn't have sent him. I am not on some secret mission to infect the areas children with HFMD. That would be a really stupid and pointless secret mission biggrin . I spoke to the program operators when I picked Caleb up. I told them right then what I thought it was. They agreed that it was probably HFMD.They didn't seem to concerned and mentioned it was pretty common in kids, which I already knew. For the record the other kids would have been exposed even if he hadn't been sent that day as he went Monday and Tuesday and the incubation period is 3-7 days, and yes I would have told them about it even if I hadn't sent him yesterday.

I understand others would do things differently, and I respect that. I value your opinions and I do read all of them, but I have to say I think the whole CPS thing is ridiculous. It is people who call on things like this that make it so hard for them to do the job they need to do. I know they are sick, I am taking care of them and watching for any signs things may be getting worse. At which point I would take them to the doctor. It would be like calling CPS on someone who didn't run to the doctor every time their kid got a cold.

EmmDee · Guru

Glad to see your household is on the mend. I trust that you know when things are bigger than you can handle.

If I say my throat is sore, can I have some ice cream too?

uglydude42 · Senior Member

Question is still out there.

EmmDee · Guru

Why does a person call a doctor if the symptoms are improving?

FrootLoop · Naturally Frootilicious

Because a random person on the internet wants them to call?

~FrootLoop

uglydude42 · Senior Member

What is wrong with calling their kids Dr or their nurse to describe the symptoms?

Answer: Nothing is wrong about calling the Dr.

EmmDee · Guru

What is wrong with not calling the doctor when symptoms are clearing up?

Answer: Nothing unless you have overzealous strangers on a message board insisting you must.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

And if she already knows what it is there's nothing wrong with not calling either.

When my daughter got the chicken pox I didn't take her to the doctor. I kept her home, made her comfortable and went on with my life. I did't keep #1 and #2 home because #3 was sick. I kept #4 with me because she was a baby.

uglydude42 · Senior Member

At the onset of symtoms and before medicating, why not call then?

It's a simple concept and it only takes a few minutes, versus possible future health concerns for kids.

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

really. I don't think Ugly Dude is being aggressive or out of line for saying a phone call to the doctor might be a good idea. Certainly not an outlandish opinion. Said The Billy goat to the Bridge, lol

uglydude42 · Senior Member

Why, thank you Mary.

EmmDee · Guru

And I don't think that any of us who have responded have been aggressive and it clearly is not an outlandish opinion since it seems common.

Mata Hari · Veteran Member

EmmDee wrote:
What is wrong with not calling the doctor when symptoms are clearing up?

Answer: Nothing unless you have overzealous strangers on a message board insisting you must.

you have NO experiance with kids or parenting. NONE. how in creation have you promoted yourself to some kind of expert on child care?

stick to your strengths- which is clearly being a tattle tale and a whiner.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

Where the hell did that come from?!

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

Mata Hari wrote:
EmmDee wrote:
What is wrong with not calling the doctor when symptoms are clearing up?

Answer: Nothing unless you have overzealous strangers on a message board insisting you must.

you have NO experiance with kids or parenting. NONE. how in creation have you promoted yourself to some kind of expert on child care?

stick to your strengths- which is clearly being a tattle tale and a whiner.

Totally uncalled for and should be considered a personal attack. I don't understand why you are all trying to start a fight. First winds and now you. Please stop ruining it for everyone.

Mata Hari · Veteran Member

was called for- i posted EXCELLENT advise from along time experiance-

she wants to start with her stupid comments- i am more than happy to respond in kind.

which she constantly does and gets away with..

want some hard evidence- theres PLENTY

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

EmmDee wrote:
deleted as to not engage with the nonsense

-- Edited by EmmDee on Thursday 19th of July 2012 03:53:06 PM

Probably for the best... btw doctors are sometimes childless so having kids or not having kids isn't really the issue.

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

Mata Hari wrote:
was called for- i posted EXCELLENT advise from along time experiance-

she wants to start with her stupid comments- i am more than happy to respond in kind.

which she constantly does and gets away with..

want some hard evidence- theres PLENTY

So if someone decides not to take your advice you go on the attack. I have watched what is going on here and you and winds should just stop now before you get banned for all the personal attacks. And please stop ruining it for the rest of us who have not done anything to you two.

uglydude42 · Senior Member

An inquiry was made to the OP, not of any other poster.

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

kapper, I think there's a difference in not taking advice and kind of mocking it. the OP was very gracious about the different opinions actually.

this is all strictly My opinion which I realize is worth less than an ounce of toe jam but there it is :)

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

Mata Hari was attacking, not offering advice or being mocked so I am not sure what you mean. Just because advice is given doesn't mean it will be taken. There are just as many paople who think Mom of half a dozen is handling it quite well but for some reason they are going after both Mom and EmmDee and this is not the first time they have done this.

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

We can agree to disagree kapper. It's ok, It's just a mesage board after all. No worries

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

I have no quarrel with you Mary you have been quite respectful in your posts. If you look at Mata Hari's post copied below I fail to see how anybody but Mata was being mocking.

EmmDee wrote:
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What is wrong with not calling the doctor when symptoms are clearing up?

Answer: Nothing unless you have overzealous strangers on a message board insisting you must.

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you have NO experiance with kids or parenting. NONE. how in creation have you promoted yourself to some kind of expert on child care?

stick to your strengths- which is clearly being a tattle tale and a whiner.

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

maybe it's a case of a breaking point. I can't speak for anyone else though. I have to say though, I think most of My posts except maybe one were directed to the OP. I do wonder though at all the IVY's I see lately and wonder what the heck?

Especially this particular topic. It's ok, people can IVY all they want and Im not saying the Op should be eviscerated but it's a bit puzzling to me

Almostheretx · Member

she can take it or leave but I think what Mata is saying that how can a person have an opinion or knowledge about something when they don't said item. I mean I didn't go to medical school to figure out when I have a cold.. but when something is piled on with other stuff I'm not googling it i'm going to ask the expert. And no I don't take peanut to the doctors everytime he has the sniffles BUT i do take him when i feel the need.

Desdenova · Motherhood: Sleep is for the weak!!

Almostheretx wrote:
she can take it or leave but I think what Mata is saying that how can a person have an opinion or knowledge about something when they don't said item. I mean I didn't go to medical school to figure out when I have a cold.. but when something is piled on with other stuff I'm not googling it i'm going to ask the expert. And no I don't take peanut to the doctors everytime he has the sniffles BUT i do take him when i feel the need.

And OP felt comfortable enough with the knowledge she has without asking her doctor. She didn't feel the need to ask her doctor I don't see how is that abusing her children.

* Disclaimer I'm not a doctor nor I play one on Tv, I don't have kids (yet, I'm baking one as we speak) but I do think the OP did what she felt waas the rigth thing for her and her family.

Mom of half a dozen · Guru

Sorry Uglydude, I feel really bad calling you that BTW, I missed your question. The thread hadn't been active for a little while before I posted and I didn't check to see if someone posted while I was writing. I didn't mean to ignore you. No I didn't call the doctor. I was able to figure out what it was fairly quickly and have dealt with it before. I was told last time there is nothing that can be done. It has to work it's way through. Watch for a fever that doesn't come down with meds and dehydration. Those are what cause problems. Knowing that is what I would get this time I proceeded the same way. I could call now but don't see the point. Those who got it first are already improving after just 2 days. I will keep a close eye on everyone especially those developing it now. If I even get the slightest hint something is off I will of course take them in.

I never meant for people to start fighting over this, honestly I never even saw it coming. HFMD is like the common cold with a rash. I didn't think such a boring post would set anyone off. I thought maybe a couple guesses and the thread would die.

uglydude42 · Senior Member

Thanks for the reply Mom of half dozen

Hope that they get better soon.

Almostheretx · Member

Desdenova wrote:
Almostheretx wrote:
she can take it or leave but I think what Mata is saying that how can a person have an opinion or knowledge about something when they don't said item. I mean I didn't go to medical school to figure out when I have a cold.. but when something is piled on with other stuff I'm not googling it i'm going to ask the expert. And no I don't take peanut to the doctors everytime he has the sniffles BUT i do take him when i feel the need.
And OP felt comfortable enough with the knowledge she has without asking her doctor. She didn't feel the need to ask her doctor I don't see how is that abusing her children.
* Disclaimer I'm not a doctor nor I play one on Tv, I don't have kids (yet, I'm baking one as we speak) but I do think the OP did what she felt waas the rigth thing for her and her family.

Meh your right.. Course I have a kid but I have yet to figure him out!!