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dqm either · Don't Quote Me

RE: Unpopular Opinion Thursday!

Aardvark · But my mom says I'm cool!

Purple Girl wrote:
I thought the purpose of this thread was simply to express your opinion, not to have to defend it.

You don't have to defend it if you don't want to, but the purpose of this thread is to start some conversation.

Mom of half a dozen · Guru

LOL Kapper I would never show up on that site. I am not usually wearing makeup but my hair is always pulled back in a neat ponytail. My clothes are too boring to get me on there. Just jeans and a tee shirt more days, shorts or a skirt now and then. I always have all my parts covered biggrin . I have seen one that belonged on that site though. It looked like she wasn't wearing any pants. I am still not sure what was going on there confuse .

-- Edited by Mom of half a dozen on Thursday 2nd of August 2012 12:39:22 PM

Mom of half a dozen · Guru

Mary Zombie wrote:
MOHD.... Do they still have Coney island restaurants in Michigan??
I miss their Coney Burgers...and chili fries....
Sigh

There are a few but none near me, not good ones anyway. They have some in Port Huron and Detroit. The put some fake, cheesy, rip off coney island type place in Mt. Pleasant. DH is from Port Huron and missed being able to get a good Coney Dog and chili cheese fries now and then. When the new one opened up we went. It was a lot more expensive but we thought it would be worth it. WRONG! It wasn't even close. We haven't been back.

-- Edited by Mom of half a dozen on Thursday 2nd of August 2012 01:04:07 PM

tigerlily · Guru

Mary Zombie wrote:
get outta my head Tigerlily!

Thanks! I always think you explain things much better than I so I consider that a compliment :)

*removed random letter

-- Edited by tigerlily on Thursday 2nd of August 2012 02:24:53 PM

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

Today's Unpopular opinion:
I think that slamming people for still going to Chic Fil-a because they like the freakin sandwiches are hypocrits. If people have the right to express different beleifs that applies to those that you disagree with as well.
Oh, and liking chik-fila does not make a gay basher make.

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

Was someone slamming those who go to Chik FilA or were they slamming Chik FilA? The first is wrong, the second is just an expression of their distaste for ChikFilA's stand on the matter of gay marriage.

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

there was a bit of both going on from what I've seen.
To me, It's a sandwich. I don't really care about the CEO. I can understand and respect anyones right to boycott but don't show contempt for those that don't boycott, KWIM?

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

Absolutely, which is why I asked. I myself am boycotting ChikFilA but I beleive everyone has a right to choose their own fights. I shop at Walmart and many boycott them so I will not decide for anyone else what to do with their money.

Mom of half a dozen · Guru

I have never had CFA. I live in Michigan and we don't have them here. I saw one in Pigeon Forge where we go on vacation. I was going to stop but we always ended up doing something else. My unpopular opinion is next time we are near one I will probably try it. I don't agree with the way they spend their money and if I had one near me I wouldn't be going all the time. I still want to try the food and likely would given the chance. Like Kapper I also shop at Wal-mart. My next unpopular opinion is... I like shopping there. I know a lot of the workers there, the store is clean, most of the time they have what I need/want at decent prices. I am not going to stop shopping there and I don't care if people think it makes me trashy.

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

Mom as long as you don't show up on The Shoppers of Walmart website you should be good...lol. I have never seen any of those people at my Walmart, close but mostly just bad hair days rather than dress like a hooker days.

Cactus · Senior Member

Mary Zombie wrote:
Today's Unpopular opinion:
I think that slamming people for still going to Chic Fil-a because they like the freakin sandwiches are hypocrits. If people have the right to express different beleifs that applies to those that you disagree with as well.
Oh, and liking chik-fila does not make a gay basher make.

To clarify, do you mean they are hypocrites because we probably all spend money in ways that ends up going to things we wouldn't support? In that I think you have a point.

I wouldn't slam people just for going to Chik Fil A. But I don't think it has anything to do with people having the right to express different beliefs. Of course they have the right to express different beliefs, but that doesn't mean they have the right to not be judged for them. Criticizing someone is not an attack on their right to free speech.

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

MOHD.... Do they still have Coney island restaurants in Michigan??
I miss their Coney Burgers...and chili fries....
Sigh

tigerlily · Guru

Cactus wrote:
Mary Zombie wrote:
Today's Unpopular opinion:
I think that slamming people for still going to Chic Fil-a because they like the freakin sandwiches are hypocrits. If people have the right to express different beleifs that applies to those that you disagree with as well.
Oh, and liking chik-fila does not make a gay basher make.
To clarify, do you mean they are hypocrites because we probably all spend money in ways that ends up going to things we wouldn't support? In that I think you have a point.
I wouldn't slam people just for going to Chik Fil A. But I don't think it has anything to do with people having the right to express different beliefs. Of course they have the right to express different beliefs, but that doesn't mean they have the right to not be judged for them. Criticizing someone is not an attack on their right to free speech.

not mary but I think it's hypocritical for them to project their viewpoint onto others and then judge/criticize/slam them for it. They are going with the belief that if you buy a sandwich, you are morally opposed to LGBT or whatever. Lots of people are just hungry. Or haven't even heard of the issue. Not to mention that they want to use their boycott for a political reason, which is fine. But other people have the right to go there/not go there for non-politcal reasons too. IMO

It's the opposite here. Coworkers here think it's awesome to keep supporting Chick-fil-a BECAUSE of the beliefs and their agreement with it. Ok, fine...but some of you people will be my future bosses, so i pretty much just cower and hope that no one asks me anything since not attending their personal churches is already 1 strike against me.

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

Aw, that's too bad. fake Coneys, heavens no!
If I had the money I'd open a coney island and an olgas kitchen here in florida down the street from my house. I'm missing them big time!

Oh sorry, Cactus...Tigerlilly summed it up pretty well for me.

Cactus · Senior Member

Well as I said I would not slam someone solely for eating at Chik Fil A...but I also don't see how doing so is in itself hypocritical, in the absense of any behavior or belief inconsistent with that stance.

tigerlily · Guru

Sorry, I'm not really sure what you're saying.

At its base, it seems hypocritical to stand up for your beliefs, but slam others for doing (or not doing) the same thing. 'Slamming' sounds like not a case of "your beliefs are different and i disagree with them" but a "you're wrong and a bad person because you don't agree with me". So...the people eating at chick-fil-a are WRONG and the people protesting are RIGHT. Even if you have no political view and just want a sandwich. You are now the enemy.

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

get outta my head Tigerlily!

EmmDee · Guru

I agree with Mary and the follow ups by tigerlily and momofhd.

I support Chick Fil A's right to choose where to put THEIR money. I like their food, once I give them my money for their food, it is their choice what to do with it. I have always received great service and enjoyed their food when I do go there, I get what I paid for.

EmmDee · Guru

I find it hypocritical on the level that the protesters get to choose where to spend their money and boycott, Chick Fil A can do choose what to do with their money as well. I don't support the causes they choose to put their money towards, but I don't feel that is any of my business anyway.

tigerlily · Guru

EmmDee wrote:
I find it hypocritical on the level that the protesters get to choose where to spend their money and boycott, Chick Fil A can do choose what to do with their money as well. I don't support the causes they choose to put their money towards, but I don't feel that is any of my business anyway.

good point EmmDee - I hadn't thought of that view. I guess I see it as the business making the choice to spend their money that way and it's logical for people who disagree to not want their own money (by way of paying for their sandwich and contributing to the profit, therefore chick-fil-a's charities/donations) going towards something they feel strongly against. It was the business donating the money, right? Or was it the CEO's personal money? (see? I dont really even know what's going on)

That said - if they feel this strongly - Do they only feel strongly enough if someone points it out to them? Do they do any research into what other companies oppose/support their views?

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

I don't research companies but if it is brought to my attention that they are donating to causes I don't believe in I will find an alternative.

tigerlily · Guru

kapper wrote:
I don't research companies but if it is brought to my attention that they are donating to causes I don't believe in I will find an alternative.

I don't see you as being one of the people 'slamming' others for their choice not to boycott though. I was thinking that I would expect those slamming others to go further. I think it's great for people to support/boycott businesses whose ethics/morals/stances they agree/disagree with. It's a business. That's how I would assume it works.

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

True, I know a lot of people boycott Walmart claiming sweatshops and whatnot but I figure those people (supposedly working the sweatshops) would have no job if they weren't supplying Walmart so I look at it as the lesser of two evils.

tigerlily · Guru

I think my problem is that I'd like some kind of data on how much the businesses are contributing to the politics of the country. So...how much influence are they having on public policy? A lot = boycott if I disagree, buy more (or exclusively) if I support. Otherwise - meh.

I only boycott one company, don't care if others do, and realize I'm being a hypocrit all the while :D

Cactus · Senior Member

tigerlily wrote:
Sorry, I'm not really sure what you're saying.

At its base, it seems hypocritical to stand up for your beliefs, but slam others for doing (or not doing) the same thing. 'Slamming' sounds like not a case of "your beliefs are different and i disagree with them" but a "you're wrong and a bad person because you don't agree with me". So...the people eating at chick-fil-a are WRONG and the people protesting are RIGHT. Even if you have no political view and just want a sandwich. You are now the enemy.

For the most part, I don't see people being slammed for standing up for their beliefs. If anything, they are being slammed for the beliefs themselves.

I am not saying I agree or disagree that people eating at Chik Fil A are wrong or right, but I just don't see the hypocrisy in saying they are.

If you think someone is bad or wrong because of their beliefs, it's not generally just because their beliefs differ from yours, it's because of the beliefs themselves and that is clearly the case here.

You think something is wrong, you think those who support it financially or otherwise are also wrong-I don't see the hypocrisy in that regardless of the cause in question or whether I agree with the cause in question.

To put this in another context, if I shop at Business X and Business X gives money to a charity that provides abortions, people who think abortion are wrong might think I am wrong. Of course I won't agree with them but I won't consider them hypocritical for judging me in a way that is consistent with their stated beliefs.

Cactus · Senior Member

EmmDee wrote:
I find it hypocritical on the level that the protesters get to choose where to spend their money and boycott, Chick Fil A can do choose what to do with their money as well. I don't support the causes they choose to put their money towards, but I don't feel that is any of my business anyway.

But again, I don't think people are saying otherwise. The issue is where the money is going specifically, not that they should not be able to spend it as they see fit. Of course they can, but why would this mean they should not be judged for it?

As individuals, aren't we judged by how we spend money all the time? Why is it hypocritical in this case only?

tigerlily · Guru

I think it has more to do with how the belief disagreement is being done. Disagreeing is fine, happens all the time. People being treated negatively due to the disagreement is how I'm interpreting 'slammed'. I also think it would be wrong for someone to treat me as though I am for/against something if all I'm doing is eating a sandwich. I had no idea what happened with chick-fil-a until EmmDee posted, so someone going off on me about how I'm a 'gay-basher' would have been crazy to me if I was just eating lunch.

I think the issue is more in how they are treating the opposition. If I shopped at Business X, it would be out of line for someone to start calling me a "baby-killer". It would be out of line for my coworkers/supervisor to treat me with hostility or with other negativity.

Mary didn't state exactly what happened, but it sounds like someone was accused of hating gay people because they ate a sandwich - that has nothing to do with beliefs at all. And, in my experience, could have far reaching consequences that are not true and could impact someone's social/work lives.

tigerlily · Guru

I think it's hypocritical if they are implying/telling other people that they should not be spending their money at chick-fil-a if that's where the other person wants to spend their money. You (general you) can boycott if you want. Others can go get food.

Cactus · Senior Member

If someone called me a "baby killer" for shopping at Business X or giving money to a charity that provided abortion etc, I still would not think that was hypocritical, if that was what they really believed and it was consistent with their other words and actions.

But I certainly agree that people should not be mistreated.

And I would not jump to the conclusion that someone was actively anti gay because they ate at Chik Fil A.

I also think most of us probably contribute to many things we would not agree with through our spending, so I would not be too quick to judge in any case.

There are many horrible businesses/industries run by horrible people, so the focus on Chil Fil A does seem disproportionate in a sense.

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

I try not to judge people but we all do in some way. Human nature causes us to judge others according to our needs and beliefs. I disagree with lots of people and don't necessarily judge them but if you are rude or mean about it, yes I do judge.

Cactus · Senior Member

tigerlily wrote:
I think it's hypocritical if they are implying/telling other people that they should not be spending their money at chick-fil-a if that's where the other person wants to spend their money. You (general you) can boycott if you want. Others can go get food.

I don't see the inconsistency or dishonesty that would make the above hypocritical.

tigerlily · Guru

It's hypocritical that they should have the right to their beliefs, but I should be bashed/slammed/treated badly/have untrue things said because of mine or my lack of knowing the issues with Business X.

tigerlily · Guru

i think the problem is that most of us wouldn't treat someone badly so we're looking at it from not really understanding why other people would?

Cactus · Senior Member

tigerlily wrote:
It's hypocritical that they should have the right to their beliefs, but I should be bashed/slammed/treated badly/have untrue things said because of mine or my lack of knowing the issues with Business X.

I know I have the right to my beliefs, but that doesn't mean others can't judge me for them, even if I feel "bashed". I don't think I should be mistreated for my beliefs, but I don't think it would make someone a hypocrite.

Just as I have the right to my beliefs, people with opposing beliefs have the right to theirs. We also have the right to judge each other for those beliefs. Whether or not we "bash" each other isn't really relevent to our rights. We can bash each other while fully acknowledging our rights to our beliefs and to express them.

tigerlily · Guru

Cactus wrote:
tigerlily wrote:
It's hypocritical that they should have the right to their beliefs, but I should be bashed/slammed/treated badly/have untrue things said because of mine or my lack of knowing the issues with Business X.
I know I have the right to my beliefs, but that doesn't mean others can't judge me for them, even if I feel "bashed". I don't think I should be mistreated for my beliefs, but I don't think it would make someone a hypocrite.
Just as I have the right to my beliefs, people with opposing beliefs have the right to theirs. We also have the right to judge each other for those beliefs. Whether or not we "bash" each other isn't really relevent to our rights. We can bash each other while fully acknowledging our rights to our beliefs and to express them.

That's the key point. In 'slamming' someone for their adherence to their beliefs (buying or not buying from Business X), I believe that you (again, general you) are not respecting their right to that belief. Saying their belief is wrong (to you) or disagreeing with their choice is different. And where I work, being called a baby-killer or a gay-lover would negatively impact one's career. So essentially, you have no right to voice any opinion unless it agrees with the majority or else you suffer negative consequences.

You (cactus you) sound like you disagree with people in a respectful way. I just think that 'slamming' and 'bashing' does impact someone's right to their belief - especially if you are bashing the person and not the disagreement with the beliefs. Not to mention the untrue accusations (and consequences) if the person has no idea that Business X supports abortions.

We are (for the most part ) respectful here. I listen to some of my coworkers...and some basically think people who don't adhere to their beliefs should be rounded up and killed off so as to end the 'problem'. That's not respectful and that's not letting people have a right to their opposing beliefs.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

I do advocay work through the courts with children. Sometimes the parents don't like us and call us names. Today 'my' girl told me that her mother thinks I'm a B word among many other things.

I wanted to give the girl power over the word. I really wanted to allow her to use the word and let her call me it several times and I wanted to call her it several times and show her that it's just a word and that it has no power over me or her if anyone ever calls her that or if anyone ever calls me that she doesn't have to feel bad.

Of course I'd also teach her that because the word is powerless she shouldn't use it to express herself and she should find other more productive ways to get her point across.

So I guess my unpopular opinion is that I wish I could allow/teach my little 11 year old female buddy to cuss and to teach her the power of words and how to defuse the power of words at the same time.

I would have done it too but I seriously SERIOUSLY doubt that the courts would approve.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

EmmDee wrote:
I agree with Mary and the follow ups by tigerlily and momofhd.

I support Chick Fil A's right to choose where to put THEIR money. I like their food, once I give them my money for their food, it is their choice what to do with it. I have always received great service and enjoyed their food when I do go there, I get what I paid for.

Not really an opinion but just an unpopular observation I guess:

I've never heard of Chick Fil A before about a week and a half ago and now everybody and their granny's cousin is talking about them. I googled it and the closest one south of me 137.65 miles away. The closest one north(ish) of me is in Idaho 377.03 miles away. From what I can see (I might be looking in the wrong spot) they only have 13 locations. Twelve in CA and one in ID. How is it that so many people are discussing boycotting them when 48 states don't even have the option of eating there, one state has ONE location and I live in the state with the other 12 and I've never even heard of them. I don't get it.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

another unpopular thing: ME.

LOL! I live being a westie but it sucks for conversation when everyone else is already in bed

Kalikat · Guru

Not an opinion but in response to DQM.
"As of April 2012, Chick-fil-A has 1,614 restaurants in 39 states and the District of Columbia"
Granted this is from Wikipedia but I am sure that it is close.

Evil Stepmother · Guru

Kalikat wrote:
Not an opinion but in response to DQM.
"As of April 2012, Chick-fil-A has 1,614 restaurants in 39 states and the District of Columbia"
Granted this is from Wikipedia but I am sure that it is close.

I don't recall ever hearing of them either. The nearest one to me is 2 and a half hours away in St. Louis. If I went to St. Louis to eat, I would not be going to a fast food chicken place, but if I lived there I'd probably try it.

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

I actually prefer Wendy's Chicken sandwich to be honest!

EmmDee · Guru

mmm, Wendy's has a chicken sandwich here during college football season called the Bevo. It has the spicy chicken breast, bacon, some kind of cheese and a chipotle sauce. Yum!

Mom of half a dozen · Guru

dqm either wrote:
another unpopular thing: ME.

LOL! I live being a westie but it sucks for conversation when everyone else is already in bed

I am usually up, I am a night person. I just don't want to look like I am stalking you biggrin .

kapper · I am always right, unless I am wrong.

Mom of half a dozen wrote:
dqm either wrote:
another unpopular thing: ME.

LOL! I live being a westie but it sucks for conversation when everyone else is already in bed
I am usually up, I am a night person. I just don't want to look like I am stalking you.

dqm, I am on at 4 or 5 in the east coast morning. I thought you were avoiding me because I would log on and you would log off. Now I am guessing it was your bedtime...lol

Riding in the WY Wind · ~Ride Free~ ~ Live Free~ (M)

When people have medical issues (physical or mental) and prefer to play the 'victim' rather than to take assistance whether it be medicine /therapy etc.

I feel like telling them to 'stop buying their mess at the dollar store and then wondering why they don't work'

Argh.

Mary Zombie · Your brains...they're delicious.

Oh yes....those Dollar store meds Riding.... Not just for breakfast anymore it seems
;)

Almostheretx · Member

Wait What they have meds @ Dollar Stores scway

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

Kalikat wrote:
Not an opinion but in response to DQM.
"As of April 2012, Chick-fil-A has 1,614 restaurants in 39 states and the District of Columbia"
Granted this is from Wikipedia but I am sure that it is close.

I figured I had to have been wrong. Otherwise all these conversations wouldn't make sense. We don't have a Wendy's either but them I've heard of. I don't get out much but I agree with ES. If I'm going to travel somewhere on vacation I'm not eating fastfood. If they had one in my home town I'd probably go taste the sandwich because now I'm curious about it. My food budget is very strict though so I'm not in the habit of eating fastfoods.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

kapper wrote:
Mom of half a dozen wrote:
dqm either wrote:
another unpopular thing: ME.

LOL! I live being a westie but it sucks for conversation when everyone else is already in bed
I am usually up, I am a night person. I just don't want to look like I am stalking you.
dqm, I am on at 4 or 5 in the east coast morning. I thought you were avoiding me because I would log on and you would log off. Now I am guessing it was your bedtime...lol

Yes I have very bad insomnia. It makes life difficult for me sometimes but I do ok. I'm generally a happy person; always laughing or trying to find the humor in situations but lack of sleep can lead to depression. So if I wake up and start to get restless it helps to have a little interaction. I usually don't sleep for more than 4 or 5 hours a day. Then sometimes I'll sleep for 8 in a row. Those are good. Anything over 6 I feel like I accomplished something.

Is it sad when your major accomplishment of the day was sleeping? LOL?

My doctor says I'm making it worse by looking at the light of the screen. She said the light is what's waking my brain up. But I don't get it because the light isn't what wakes me up. I don't turn on the light until after I'm already awake.