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Mom of half a dozen · Guru

RE: Petition for Rule Change

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

:-/ my word choice wasn't poor.
I'm notsure if you mean petiton or hydras but I stand by bothe of those words. Yes I know typos sue me.

If someone makes a mean post and says that it's me it's still not a secret account. You can clearly see who's typing what. If any account is guilty of harrasment that account should be deleted.

I don't get why people are acting like your screen name is your identity. It's a screen name precisely because you ~don't~ wantpeople to know who you are.

So what difference does it make if I log in as Jon Smith or Jane Doe?

Or Jom for some things and Jane for other things. Still not betting the part about it being secret or false.

winds55 · Guru

Yeah, we know you don't get it. You don't get a lot of things. I just haven't figured out if the obtuseness is deliberate or not.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

Oh I know. It's just like your nastiness. So hard to tell if it's deliberate ( not really since the insults usually begin with you).

RichardInTN · I believe in I.D.I.C.

I don't want to make it "official" so I'm going to stay on my personal account and just say... there's no need for this fight.

OR rainy · It's Raining Men... :p

But if you want petition first

*****I, OR rainy, do not support the OP's petition to allow for regular posters to have multiple identities on the board" Eta: since apparently my phone and I are having disagreements on phrasing today I was typing "multiple" not "multiethnic" so I apologize for the offense

-- Edited by OR rainy on Wednesday 9th of January 2013 03:41:21 PM

Kalikat · Guru

I have a hard enough time keeping posters straight without them having more than one account. Yes, I may only "know" you by your screen name but if I meet you in person, I only know you by the name you give me.

Forty-two · Guru

Mom of half a dozen wrote:
Wow, it amazes me what starts fights. I totally didn't see this coming when I opened it. Dqm seems to be taking a beating for, at worst, would be poor wording? I'm confused on how this all went so wrong.

As for the issue, I can see why they made the rule and why some wouldn't want it changed. I also don't think changing would end up being to big of a deal. I love this board and enjoy spending time here but we aren't very busy. There isn't a lot to police either way. If someone was using it for mafia purposes (like dqm wants to do) they would probably tell us their other ID anyway. If it got to be a problem it could be shut down quickly enough. Either way it doesn't much matter to me. Again, I'm surprised at how much of a hot button issue it is for some of you though.

I am surprised at what is a hot botton on most boards. hmm

Cactus · Senior Member

Mom of half a dozen wrote:
Wow, it amazes me what starts fights. I totally didn't see this coming when I opened it. Dqm seems to be taking a beating for, at worst, would be poor wording? I'm confused on how this all went so wrong.

As for the issue, I can see why they made the rule and why some wouldn't want it changed. I also don't think changing would end up being to big of a deal. I love this board and enjoy spending time here but we aren't very busy. There isn't a lot to police either way. If someone was using it for mafia purposes (like dqm wants to do) they would probably tell us their other ID anyway. If it got to be a problem it could be shut down quickly enough. Either way it doesn't much matter to me. Again, I'm surprised at how much of a hot button issue it is for some of you though.

I agree with this. I don't think this is such a big deal.

Papa Bear · Senior Member

Yeah -- I don't consider this a big deal either. I probably won't make any friends with this post, but I believe sides are being a little short-sighted. DQM, your post earlier:

I think it would be fun to have another one. One for my everyday postings which I would like to keep with my avatar that matches my screen name and a 2nd one for playing mafia where I can change the avatar to fit the theme of the game.

DQM, I humbly submit that such a move would be a step in the wrong direction. If I go post on some regular thread (like this one), I'm sure someone would wonder why I picked "May Day" as my avatar. It might inspire newbies to join the game, without my having to even mention "mafia."

Regular avatar changes amounts to free advertising for mafia anywhere I post. Whereas by your plan, nobody not already mafia would get the idea to join from your avatar. Little things become big things.

As for proponents of the no-multiple-account rule: If the rule is that no two IP addresses should match, I'm fine with that. However, this rule loses the married couple, the family member, the roommate, the co-worker, the landlord (and/or tenant), library users, coffee-shop users, who knows who all else. Anyone who could conceivably share an IP address with someone else is now implicated by this rule.

If Poobah wishes for this regulatory climate and is fine with driving away people over a victimless infraction, I'm fine with that. But that's how a lot of potential users will see it. Little things become big things.

My own question: What if two different mafia games are happening at once on this forum? Considering the importance of the avatar, a person almost needs multiple accounts or else just decide not to use one as part of the game. Poobah might either make an exception for that (and require all people to declare), or else just decree that only one mafia game at a time will happen. The second thing would be simpler.

OR rainy · It's Raining Men... :p

There is a difference between one person having multiple accounts and one IP address for a household but each person has one "identity" they use. I am not saying that DQM isn't correct about people just making up multiple accounts (and IP only comes in to play way tracking or banning someone) and not telling anyone, just that we have the rule for a reason, that when she started this thread it was about her preference for the rule change and not because there was some sort of discussion about what others thought about it before petition ing, and her attempt to use the mods as a valid reason that everyone could have multiple accounts.

And from what Richard posted - I gather that more than likely this is a non-issue.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

Kalikat wrote:
I have a hard enough time keeping posters straight without them having more than one account. Yes, I may only "know" you by your screen name but if I meet you in person, I only know you by the name you give me.

Unless I give you two. Then you know me by both.

Most people I know IRL have more than one name and it doesn't confuse me at all. Some have three or four. Some have titles that I use when addressing them in certain situations and then I call them something else in other situations. It's really not that confusing.

The same person can be

Officer Booth in public
Harold among friends and
Boo with family.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

As for proponents of the no-multiple-account rule: If the rule is that no two IP addresses should match, I'm fine with that. However, this rule loses the married couple, the family member, the roommate, the co-worker, the landlord (and/or tenant), library users, coffee-shop users, who knows who all else. Anyone who could conceivably share an IP address with someone else is now implicated by this rule.

In effect, making the rule unenforceable; unless this isn't an anonymous chat board and everyone has to have their real identities verified by the mods before they can have an account here.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

Papa Bear wrote:
Regular avatar changes amounts to free advertising for mafia anywhere I post. Whereas by your plan, nobody not already mafia would get the idea to join from your avatar. Little things become big things.

I don't really think the mafia games need free advertising because there is always a sign up post ahead of time to advertise it.

But let's say for instance I wanted to discuss a sensitive topic with my online support group. I'm about to get all melodramatic here so bear with me but let's say I got into a horrible fight with my mother and we said words that can't be unspoken.

I don't want to tell my friends about it so I come here to my safe place to cry and vent about it.

I'd rather have my Don't Quote Me avatar when I do that than post under whatever whimsical thing I picked for the current mafia game.

At the same time I LIKE playing mafia. Even when I'm busy or when I'm down the game gives me something to look forward to and I'd like to participate fully. Part of the fun is changing your avatar.

I could always change my avatar back to the serious one if I have a sensitive topic to share but from once something is posted it doesn't stay with the avatar it was created under. The avatar still changes everytime I whimsically change it for the game.

So hypothetically a post about the death of a loved one could later be accompanied by something that I feel is inappropriate for that topic.

Solution:

Two accounts.

Oops that's against the rules.

Next step:

Petition for the rule to be changed.

Next step:

discussion

Next step:

Would everyone please welcome Ozzyangel to the site. I'm not sure Ozzy has decided to play mafia. Right now this account is simply proving a point.

OR rainy · It's Raining Men... :p

Actually discussion first then formal petition.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

OR rainy wrote:
Actually discussion first then formal petition.

That's not how it went.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

OR rainy wrote:
But if you want petition first

*****I, OR rainy, do not support the OP's petition to allow for regular posters to have multiethnic identities on the board"

excuse me?

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

btw, I don't need permission.

OR rainy · It's Raining Men... :p

Your right-you don't need permission BUT as your thread is about petitioning a rule change I can show my support or nonsupport for the petition which is what I did.

dqm either · Don't Quote Me

ok thank you.

Papa Bear · Senior Member

dqm either wrote:
Papa Bear wrote:
Regular avatar changes amounts to free advertising for mafia anywhere I post. Whereas by your plan, nobody not already mafia would get the idea to join from your avatar. Little things become big things.
I don't really think the mafia games need free advertising because there is always a sign up post ahead of time to advertise it. (1)
But let's say for instance I wanted to discuss a sensitive topic with my online support group. I'm about to get all melodramatic here so bear with me but let's say I got into a horrible fight with my mother and we said words that can't be unspoken.
I don't want to tell my friends about it so I come here to my safe place to cry and vent about it.
I'd rather have my Don't Quote Me avatar when I do that than post under whatever whimsical thing I picked for the current mafia game. (2)
At the same time I LIKE playing mafia. Even when I'm busy or when I'm down the game gives me something to look forward to and I'd like to participate fully. Part of the fun is changing your avatar.
I could always change my avatar back to the serious one if I have a sensitive topic to share but from once something is posted it doesn't stay with the avatar it was created under. The avatar still changes everytime I whimsically change it for the game.
So hypothetically a post about the death of a loved one could later be accompanied by something that I feel is inappropriate for that topic.
Solution:
Two accounts.
Oops that's against the rules.
Next step:
Petition for the rule to be changed.
Next step:
discussion
Next step:
Would everyone please welcome Ozzyangel to the site. I'm not sure Ozzy has decided to play mafia. Right now this account is simply proving a point.

1. Maybe, maybe not. Not everyone comes every day.

2. I clearly need to take my avatar more seriously than I do!

Hope this all works out.

Grand Poohbah of Peepdom · All hail the Grand Poohbah, and nobody gets hurt!

In my 10+ years of message board experience, allowing users to have multiple accounts has done nothing but allow chaos and discord. Therefore, I stand by my rule of one user, one account.

As for using IP addresses to track the accounts, there is simply no other way to do it.

RichardInTN · I believe in I.D.I.C.

While IP addresses are the easiest way, there are other ways.

I just wanted to point that out.

NANN2 · Leader of the Woof Pack

Just voicing my 2 cents. I don't care if posters want or can have multiple accounts. I don't want one, but I don't see how it affects me for others to have more than one.