I have already decided I am not going to be bothered by this and keep giving her hand me downs, but thought this could make an interesting topic.
I have a super close friend I have known for years. She is currently a newly single mother again after her husband and her got divorced. I have been giving her hand me down clothes for her son for years now. It is a lot of clothes because stuff comes from my mom's house where we keep sets of clothing and from our house. She is always kind and thankful to get them. I see her son wear some of the clothing from time to time. I told her if she does not need it to donate it or give it to someone else she knows. She knows some other moms in need of clothing too.
Well today I found out from her daughter that she is selling clothes on Ebay. I asked which clothes and she said "Mom's clothes, my clothes, Brother's clothes and clothes people give us". So I am guessing some of the stuff I have given her. At first I was kinda like "seriously?!". But then I was like well maybe she needs the money so they are still helping her regardless of if he wears them or she sells them. I certainly don't want to go through all the trouble of selling them on ebay.
So do you think it is cool to sell hand me downs people give you for your kids on ebay?
If they were given without intention of returning, I wouldn't have a problem. Maybe her kids won't wear it and she is selling it to buy other clothing. Or maybe she does need the money. If she is doing to buy frivolous things, I may be kind of irritated because it was requested she extend the goodwill to others if she can't or doesn't use them.
if the child has outgrown what you've passed on, and you didn't ask for them back, then i don't see a problem. the key here is if you asked to get the clothes back once she was done with them.
though i wouldn't lend her anything that you wanted back at this point, knowing that she is selling excess items on E-Bay.
personally, i look upon passing down used clothing the same way i would if i was donating it to Goodwill or the Salvation Army. i don't expect to get it back; it's gone on to someone who can use it after i am done.
conversely, if she starts asking you for anything that you aren't using, that would bother me, knowing that she is selling on E-Bay. i'd start to feel like a source for her on-line store if she started asking you for hand-me-downs.
Her son normally loves the clothes we send because he is into the same stuff my boys are-super heroes, ninjas, Phineas and Ferb, Lego, etc. So he likes the clothes and I know they are his size. So it is not that he won't or can't wear them. There may just be too many overall. I doubt it is because he does not like them. She even has told me how he likes the stuff I send because he likes comfy clothes like sweatpants and that is all my boys want to wear too.
and no, I gave them to her and made it clear I don't want them back. Part of the whole thing is I am glad to get rid of them. I am not having more kids so I don't need them.
if she's selling what she knows she can't use because there are so many, and since you've stated you don't want them back, then i wouldn't have a problem with it at all. especially if the cash she makes helps her and her kids out.
I don't see what she did as wrong. I would use it to decide what I want to do going forward. If I feel ok with it helping her monetarily or if I would prefer to share the help with others so that more people benefit from the clothing since it more than meets her needs.
As long as she wasn't selling them and complaining she didn't have anything for her kids to wear, it wouldn't bother me. I'm in the process of going through AB's smaller things to give to a few moms-to-be and I'm glad to just be getting them out of the basement.
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As long as she wasn't selling them and complaining she didn't have anything for her kids to wear, it wouldn't bother me. I'm in the process of going through AB's smaller things to give to a few moms-to-be and I'm glad to just be getting them out of the basement.
Aardi, i think this pretty much sums it up for me. my new granddaughter has already outgrown her newborn stuff (lengthwise, not weightwise), and my DD will start gathering those clothes up to pass along to someone else. she now has a box in her laundry room so she can toss the NB sized things in when they come out of the dryer. there's no point in keeping what one knows they won't need again, especially when someone else can get some use out of those items.
my son and DIL are starting to take the tubs of Alex's stuff out of our basement for his little brother (who will arrive in June). once LB has outgrown them, those clothes will be passed along....somewhere.
It really depends. My question is, is she deliberatly gathering free clothes from friends, etc, to sell on Ebay? To me, that seems dishonest. If you're going to do that, be honest. "Hey, I run a kid's clothing shop on ebay, let me know if you're getting rid of anything." If a friend told me that, I would gladly give her stuff I didn't when I was cleaning out my closets, etc.
OTOH, if she's choosing the items she wants, and then selling items that are out grown or that she doesnt' want, I don't really have a huge problem with it. But I also might choose to pass on my hand-me-downs to someone else. I strongly believe in "paying it forward" and I feel like if somebody does you the good deed of giving you kid's clothing (saving you lots of $), that when the time comes you should pass that along. Something about turning somebody else's good deed into money in your pocket bothers me.
If it bothers you at some point, you could always stop giving them to her and give to Goodwill or the SA directly. Or, to a shelter for abused mothers. When women leave an abuser in the middle of the night, they often don't grab anything beyond their kids and these shelters are always in need of children's clothing, toys, formula, etc.
Or, you can tell her you have no more clothing to give her because you've decided to start a cottage industry selling your kid's outgrown clothing on E-bay. That would send a message to her!
It really depends. My question is, is she deliberatly gathering free clothes from friends, etc, to sell on Ebay? To me, that seems dishonest. If you're going to do that, be honest. "Hey, I run a kid's clothing shop on ebay, let me know if you're getting rid of anything." If a friend told me that, I would gladly give her stuff I didn't when I was cleaning out my closets, etc.
OTOH, if she's choosing the items she wants, and then selling items that are out grown or that she doesnt' want, I don't really have a huge problem with it. But I also might choose to pass on my hand-me-downs to someone else. I strongly believe in "paying it forward" and I feel like if somebody does you the good deed of giving you kid's clothing (saving you lots of $), that when the time comes you should pass that along. Something about turning somebody else's good deed into money in your pocket bothers me.
That was kinda how I felt about it at first. Like if she doesn't want or need it, pass it on to someone else. I know she has people who could use it she knows. She is helping another single mother with a little boy who literally have NOTHING. So I thought she was giving things to him some and she mentioned she has. But now I hear she is selling stuff....
So I don't know. I still wanna help her out so I am probably going to continue giving her the clothes and if it helps her get money to buy groceries or pay her rent, than I guess that is fine. Her ex husband is a no account and she has to pretty much support herself so I feel for her.
Her daughter mentions her mother is selling clothes on ebay, you grill the poor kid to get more information, ASSUME she's selling clothes you gave her, and have now branded the woman a liar. But she's worse off than you, so you're okay with that, you guess.
Don't fall off that horse, you might break something.
Her daughter mentions her mother is selling clothes on ebay, you grill the poor kid to get more information, ASSUME she's selling clothes you gave her, and have now branded the woman a liar. But she's worse off than you, so you're okay with that, you guess.
Don't fall off that horse, you might break something.
oh yea gods and little fishes. where the hell are you getting this? the daughter told BA that her mother is selling the clothes; BA didn't grill anyone. BA has already stated that she is going to continue to give the mother her son's outgrown clothes, so the mom can continue to sell them to make money to support her kids.
so you'd prefer that BA no longer give this woman her sons' cast off clothes? and if she said she would do that, i'm sure you would be posting as to how mean she was to cut off her supplemental income from selling children's clothes.
as for the horse...i'm not sure BA is the one riding it. just a thought.
She ran up to me and said "Hi" when I came up to drop off a bag of clothes. I asked her what she was doing to make conversation. She told me she was sorting out clothes with her friend to sell on Ebay for her mom. Then I asked what clothes just to make conversation. Then after she told me that I told her bye and left.
I never would have known anything about it period if she did not bring it up herself. And where did I call her a liar? She never lied about anything that I know of. I am guessing she probably did have him wear some of the clothes as I have seen him in them, probably did pass on some to others and maybe sold some too possibly. I really don't know. Does not make her a liar.
The whole thing bothered me for maybe 1 minute of thinking about it and then decided I didn't care as long as it is helping her out. I honestly was kind of surprised because the clothes are not super nice so I was thinking I doubt she would even be able to get much from them, but I guess you never know. Either way it gets the clothes out of my house and helps her out in one way or another.
you know I did not come here from Invisapeeps for the same old **** that went on there. I came here because it was more supportive, calmer and nicer and friendlier.
I was very friendly to you Winds so I don't know where this hostility is coming from.
If I am going to be followed around on every post and talked to like that then I will stop posting here. I did not come here for that. It brought down Invisapeeps board and it will bring down this board too. Especially since this board is so much smaller so it will get old fast for every thread to turn into an insult fight for no reason.
you know I did not come here from Invisapeeps for the same old **** that went on there. I came here because it was more supportive, calmer and nicer and friendlier.
I was very friendly to you Winds so I don't know where this hostility is coming from.
If I am going to be followed around on every post and talked to like that then I will stop posting here. I did not come here for that. It brought down Invisapeeps board and it will bring down this board too. Especially since this board is so much smaller so it will get old fast for every thread to turn into an insult fight for no reason.
BA, please do NOT stop posting here. i get what you're saying, i agree with what you are saying. i left Invisipeeps because i got tired of such nonsense.
I agree with BA and JHA. I grow tired of cattiness very quickly. My advice would be to just ignore the negative posts that have nothing to add and respond to the others. There is no rule that we must acknowledge all posts addressed to us.
I know I used to freecycle things and my girls clothes and they were always very nice clothes. then after I was giving things away, people began to get a bit demanding
"could I store for them"
"could I deliver them to them at X time"
saying they would be there and never showing up...
SO now I put them on local FB gruops and sell them and find people are more curteous and respectful when I am charing thwm $ go figure
anyway...I noticed DD16 has another big black garbage bag for me to get rid of LOL it never stops.
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It wouldn't bother me that she sold it on ebay.
I could have done the same thing but didn't want to screw around with it. I feel the same about rummage sales. I'll give people stuff for their rummage sales/yard sales not wanting anything back because I don't want to deal with it. If they don't mind dealing with it, they can have the money. I just want the stuff out of my closet/basement/garage, and hate to just throw it out because it's still "good" and someone might be able to use it.
Yes, just getting stuff out of the house can be worth it to me! Somehow, we managed to accumulate FIVE televisions! We started out with two when we got married and combined households. Over the last 2 years, though, we ended up with 3 more! I gave two away to friends who wanted to upgrade the old one in their bedroom (it still had knobs!) and also one for the husband's Man Cave. They tried to pay for them, but I was just glad to be rid of them!
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Yes to freecycle being not worth it and full of rude people. I did it for awhile too. I finally kinda stopped as I got a lot of no shows. Then when I would say something to them about being rude for not showing it they would want to get into an email fight about it. Then I had people wanting me to deliver to them. Or I would say "Email only" and they would totally ignore that and tell me to call them. It got old. Is the human race that rude, selfish and ignorant? SMH
I never was able to get anything people offered either because unless you came up with some HUGE sob story they never picked you. And I was not going to do that. If someone sent me a sob story about why they wanted my item, I ignored them and picked someone else. I don't need to know their Daddy left when they were 3 and their Mama got the lice and their Uncle stole their truck. Just say you want my used bicycle and say when you will come get it. I don't need to complicate it folks!
Finally I realized also the admins were stealing all the good stuff on there. I got suspicious about it because it would seem if I offered something really good I would get a reply back from the same person over and over and I realized they were an admin and I think they were asking for the good stuff before even submitting to the group.
So now I just ask on facebook if anyone wants something and if no takers, I donate to Good will.
I would say if you didn't want the clothes any more and you gave them to someone else, they are free to do with the whatever they want. Which would include selling them on Ebay.
If the woman is having financial difficulties, I would say she is doing what she can to get out of those difficulties.
If you don't like what she is doing with what you give her, don't give her anymore stuff.
And just so nobody is worried. BA did not bring down Invisapeeps. I was there just a few minutes ago and it is working just fine.
I would say if you didn't want the clothes any more and you gave them to someone else, they are free to do with the whatever they want. Which would include selling them on Ebay.
If the woman is having financial difficulties, I would say she is doing what she can to get out of those difficulties.
If you don't like what she is doing with what you give her, don't give her anymore stuff.
And just so nobody is worried. BA did not bring down Invisapeeps. I was there just a few minutes ago and it is working just fine.
I meant it brought the morale down. Several long time peeps left because of the constant every thread turning into a let's fight and insult BA thread. Flgirl was one to be exact. She stated exactly that is why she left. It brings the overall morale and attitude of the board down. Then after that there was the "Mass exodus" as the thread was called where several peeps left as well. I don't think it is a good road to go down.
some of them ask for things I can't even afford let alone give away LOL
On mine (a loong time ago) I saw somebody asking for an engagement ring!!! Do people HONESTLY give away engagement rings??
LOL! I have heard some people asking for like this new Fisher Price toy that was BRAND NEW like just came out for Christmas and she was asking if anyone had one. I actually got so pissed about that one, I emailed the Admins and told them there is no way there are any used of that toy because it was a brand new just off the assembly line toy that came out so she was really just trying to get charity and fill her wish list. Which is specifically against the rules to do wish list stuff.
or requests for PICTURES to see what shape it is in (which is ok,) but they came across as way picky
or a lady wanting room darkening shades and ONLY ones a certain measurements, those things are $$$ if someone is giving them to you cut them down or make them work, or pass on them...MY word LOL
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IMO on something like Freecycle I just don't think it's appropriate to ask for high dollar items or items in pristine condition. It seems to me that asks should be limited to the sorts of things people might want to give away. If somebody would get some decent $ from pawning it, it's not okay to ask for it on freecycle.
I would say if you didn't want the clothes any more and you gave them to someone else, they are free to do with the whatever they want. Which would include selling them on Ebay.
If the woman is having financial difficulties, I would say she is doing what she can to get out of those difficulties.
If you don't like what she is doing with what you give her, don't give her anymore stuff.
And just so nobody is worried. BA did not bring down Invisapeeps. I was there just a few minutes ago and it is working just fine.
I meant it brought the morale down. Several long time peeps left because of the constant every thread turning into a let's fight and insult BA thread. Flgirl was one to be exact. She stated exactly that is why she left. It brings the overall morale and attitude of the board down. Then after that there was the "Mass exodus" as the thread was called where several peeps left as well. I don't think it is a good road to go down.
BA, I have been on many message boards over the past years and have participated in many of the off shot boards that sprang from Miss Manners.
And one thing that I have noticed is they are a lot like real life. People come and people go. When certain people go they are often missed, but not for very long. Just like real life when somebody dies. The old world just keeps spinning, no matter who departs. Doesn't even pause for a moment.
I wouldn't worry about the zeta board going the way of the dinosaur. Unless of course they get hit by a big old comet!
I would say if you didn't want the clothes any more and you gave them to someone else, they are free to do with the whatever they want. Which would include selling them on Ebay.
If the woman is having financial difficulties, I would say she is doing what she can to get out of those difficulties.
If you don't like what she is doing with what you give her, don't give her anymore stuff.
And just so nobody is worried. BA did not bring down Invisapeeps. I was there just a few minutes ago and it is working just fine.
I meant it brought the morale down. Several long time peeps left because of the constant every thread turning into a let's fight and insult BA thread. Flgirl was one to be exact. She stated exactly that is why she left. It brings the overall morale and attitude of the board down. Then after that there was the "Mass exodus" as the thread was called where several peeps left as well. I don't think it is a good road to go down.
BA, I have been on many message boards over the past years and have participated in many of the off shot boards that sprang from Miss Manners.
And one thing that I have noticed is they are a lot like real life. People come and people go. When certain people go they are often missed, but not for very long. Just like real life when somebody dies. The old world just keeps spinning, no matter who departs. Doesn't even pause for a moment.
I wouldn't worry about the zeta board going the way of the dinosaur. Unless of course they get hit by a big old comet!
As I was one of the people who left after you, BA, trust me, I did not leave because you were banned. In fact, I very much supported your ban. I left for my own reasons and do not like you casting me in that light. Speak for yourself, not others TYVM.
I faded away and finally left because I do not like the mass jumping on any poster, including BA. I found it childish that grown adults could not just ignore any poster that may be their BEC. I do not like how the board has changed over the last couple of years. It may be this behavior has just been more noticeable to me because the overall activity has decreased and the actual quantity/frequency had not changed. No matter what it was, I no longer enjoyed reading it so I decided to stop doing so.
I faded away and finally left because I do not like the mass jumping on any poster, including BA. I found it childish that grown adults could not just ignore any poster that may be their BEC. I do not like how the board has changed over the last couple of years. It may be this behavior has just been more noticeable to me because the overall activity has decreased and the actual quantity/frequency had not changed. No matter what it was, I no longer enjoyed reading it so I decided to stop doing so.
well stated, EmmDee. that's basically why i left.
i have no illusions that i am missed there. frankly, it doesn't matter to me. i can talk to most of the people that i missed here.
i'm sad that this discussion is derailing BA's thread. and yes, i recognize that i have done my part in said de-railment
On topic, BA, if it doesn't bother you for your friend to sell the clothes that you pass along, then that's all that matters. it wouldn't bother me either, since my goal, as PPs have stated, would be just to get the stuff out of my house with minimal effort on my part. now if it was to cross the line, or you were to discover that she's asking everyone else you know for their extra clothes, but her child seems to always be dressed in their old clothes (so she's selling everything given to her and using none of it for her child), i might start to feel a bit taken advantage of. but i don't see any indication of that in your posts here.
IMO on something like Freecycle I just don't think it's appropriate to ask for high dollar items or items in pristine condition. It seems to me that asks should be limited to the sorts of things people might want to give away. If somebody would get some decent $ from pawning it, it's not okay to ask for it on freecycle.
Exactly. The whole point or purpose of freecycle was to keep things out of the landfill so to recycle them so to speak from someone who no longer wants or needs it to someone who can use it. So yeah new items don't really fit that.
I would say if you didn't want the clothes any more and you gave them to someone else, they are free to do with the whatever they want. Which would include selling them on Ebay.
If the woman is having financial difficulties, I would say she is doing what she can to get out of those difficulties.
If you don't like what she is doing with what you give her, don't give her anymore stuff.
And just so nobody is worried. BA did not bring down Invisapeeps. I was there just a few minutes ago and it is working just fine.
I meant it brought the morale down. Several long time peeps left because of the constant every thread turning into a let's fight and insult BA thread. Flgirl was one to be exact. She stated exactly that is why she left. It brings the overall morale and attitude of the board down. Then after that there was the "Mass exodus" as the thread was called where several peeps left as well. I don't think it is a good road to go down.
BA, I have been on many message boards over the past years and have participated in many of the off shot boards that sprang from Miss Manners.
And one thing that I have noticed is they are a lot like real life. People come and people go. When certain people go they are often missed, but not for very long. Just like real life when somebody dies. The old world just keeps spinning, no matter who departs. Doesn't even pause for a moment.
I wouldn't worry about the zeta board going the way of the dinosaur. Unless of course they get hit by a big old comet!
As I was one of the people who left after you, BA, trust me, I did not leave because you were banned. In fact, I very much supported your ban. I left for my own reasons and do not like you casting me in that light. Speak for yourself, not others TYVM.
I know you did not leave because of me. You did leave however from what I understood when I read that thread because you did not like the negative things going on on the board. Which was directed all multiple people me just being one of them. Only person I was speaking for was Flgirl who said it herself on the board.
I would say if you didn't want the clothes any more and you gave them to someone else, they are free to do with the whatever they want. Which would include selling them on Ebay.
If the woman is having financial difficulties, I would say she is doing what she can to get out of those difficulties.
If you don't like what she is doing with what you give her, don't give her anymore stuff.
And just so nobody is worried. BA did not bring down Invisapeeps. I was there just a few minutes ago and it is working just fine.
I meant it brought the morale down. Several long time peeps left because of the constant every thread turning into a let's fight and insult BA thread. Flgirl was one to be exact. She stated exactly that is why she left. It brings the overall morale and attitude of the board down. Then after that there was the "Mass exodus" as the thread was called where several peeps left as well. I don't think it is a good road to go down.
BA, I have been on many message boards over the past years and have participated in many of the off shot boards that sprang from Miss Manners.
And one thing that I have noticed is they are a lot like real life. People come and people go. When certain people go they are often missed, but not for very long. Just like real life when somebody dies. The old world just keeps spinning, no matter who departs. Doesn't even pause for a moment.
I wouldn't worry about the zeta board going the way of the dinosaur. Unless of course they get hit by a big old comet!
As I was one of the people who left after you, BA, trust me, I did not leave because you were banned. In fact, I very much supported your ban. I left for my own reasons and do not like you casting me in that light. Speak for yourself, not others TYVM.
I know you did not leave because of me. You did leave however from what I understood when I read that thread because you did not like the negative things going on on the board. Which was directed all multiple people me just being one of them. Only person I was speaking for was Flgirl who said it herself on the board.
Given that I have never told you why I left, I don't understand why you have decided that. I left based on one thing and it was not based on "negative things going on on the board". Again, please stop trying to speak for me.
Instead of continuing to call me wrong why not just state the reason you left? I read that thread and I was speaking from how I interpreted it. Which is what people do on any board. No one speaks for anyone else but people all the time respond to what they think others are saying or how they took things. I may have misinterpreted the things you said, but that is not the same as trying to "Speak for you". You are here speaking for yourself right now. So speak for yourself.
It is sticking your head in the sand for anyone to try to pretend that board was not having trouble. I continued to lurk after I was banned for awhile and I saw fight after fight after fight. Long time posters like Angel Farts left. Mods were being called out. Mods left. So it is naive to act like that board was hunky dory and had no issues. There were obviously some issues.
I don't go there anymore but I bet there are fights going on there right now. I mean it got bad enough they had to make the board log in only in order to even view it.
But I am done talking about that board because that is not what "this" board is about or for. If you want to discuss it further how I keep speaking for you, you are welcome to message me but it seems odd and counterproductive to continue to say someone is speaking for you when you are right there to speak for yourself. My username is BA, not Aurora and I think people can clearly see that.
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I don't really remember what actually happened on zeta for you Aurora but it's cool if you don't want to say.
I have decided to try to make an effort to post more over here. I have done horrible at keeping up with Des offline so if I make an effort here, we can stay more in touch.
" I'm pretty sure that only two other people know what happened because it was not obvious. It all came down to how I felt. Anj got some pretty bad attacks from Gills, and if it had been anyone else I would have responded because I agreed with Anj. However, based on previous threads where Gills had done the same thing to me, I got stressed even starting the post. I did not want to be in an environment online where I was being caused stress. These boards are my fun, I have enough stress in my life. I have always felt that these boards belonged to mods (which honestly was the reason I hesitated to join for so long), so if I am not happy with what is happening, I am the one that needs to go. I'm not going to cause a fuss with the mods, because it is their property (for the lack of a better word).
So, as all these fightings were going on, on that thread, I just messaged admin and asked to be deleted. I did ask Stimpy to give people my contact info, so he was one of the two that actually knew what happened, lol."
This is what you posted on here about why you left and it is in line with what I said about the board having negativity. So please by all means correct me if I am wrong but this seems in line with what I said about posters leaving because of how the board was being run and the negativity there.