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I was reading a feminist column and read something that made me think of you.

"Like Jeanette Rankin, Shirley Chisholm made congressional history when she became the first African-American congresswoman. She represented New York State in the House of Representatives for seven terms, and went on to run for the Democratic nomination for presidency in 1972. Championing minority education and employment opportunities, Chisholm also campaigned against the draft. During her presidential nomination campaign, she survived three assassination attempts and went on to leave behind a long legacy of outspoken advocacy. "I've always met more discrimination being a woman than being black," Chisolm told the Associated Press in 1982. "When I ran for the Congress, when I ran for president, I met more discrimination as a woman than for being black. Men are men.""

http://www.policymic.com/articles/86767/the-feminist-version-of-american-history-you-never-hear-about-in-school

It made me think about that fact that you have often seemed to say the reverse.  Do you think that is because of time difference or something else?



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If I were to answer that honestly I would be crucified so I will pm you later tonight

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Not 42, but it's an interesting topic. I have noticed that people still say things like "Men and women think differently." And we say things like "traditional male role" and "traditional female role." But would anybody say "Black people and white people think differently?" Or "traditional black role" or "traditional white role"?

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Forty-two wrote:

If I were to answer that honestly I would be crucified so I will pm you later tonight

 Well, now I am curious too!



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Anyway, it seems to me she is talking about a very specific context, not an absolute.



-- Edited by Cactus on Friday 23rd of May 2014 12:11:43 PM

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Cactus you make a good point I bet gender discrimination in politics is far more significant than in corporate America in Nj. My point of reference

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OpheliaDev1 wrote:

Not 42, but it's an interesting topic. I have noticed that people still say things like "Men and women think differently." And we say things like "traditional male role" and "traditional female role." But would anybody say "Black people and white people think differently?" Or "traditional black role" or "traditional white role"?

 I don't think they put it quite like that but that doesn't mean people don't buy into it on some level. Black people get accused of "acting white" or "trying to be white" which does suggest a belief in roles. Or people look askance at people of certain races doing certain things as far as jobs, pastimes etc, and there are barriers in place due to race just as there are due to gender. When people don't believe black people - or people of any race - don't belong somewhere such as a particular social or professional level or setting that is assigning a role to them.



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Yes black jobs in corporate America are the "dumb jobs" like Hr or sales not the "smart jobs" like r&d not my words but those I have heard



-- Edited by Forty-two on Friday 23rd of May 2014 01:01:04 PM

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I may have been discriminated against because I am a woman but I am unaware of it. Being a woman has led to me being hired twice and promoted once. You get bumped up in first class, pulled out of a long taxi lines, helped along, gotten out of tickets, etc etc because you are a woman, well at least I have. Because I am black I have been followed in stores, assumed I had my kids out of wedlock, assumed I was on food stamps, shocked that I spoke well, shocked my children could speak well, the list goes on. Being black is a heavier cross to bear than being a woman.

 

White women count yourself lucky.



-- Edited by Forty-two on Sunday 25th of May 2014 10:20:18 AM

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